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I feel again in the minority group but I hope the 4 door is larger than the JL.
1 of the biggest gripes I hear and share with the JL is the lack of interior space and all these renders make it appear the Bronco will have less cargo capacity than the JL which doesn’t seem like a good strategy.
My backup plan is 4Runner...Sooooo...I'd be fine with the same size as a JLU, or a little bigger lol
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Exactly, and like I originally said in the post you replied to....
“I feel again in the minority group but I hope the 4 door is larger than the JL.”
Yeah I'm not sure if you are in the minority. I think there is a sizable contingent who basically want an SUV similar to what are already available from various manufacturers, but with some Bronco "styling cues". I don't want that. I think we have enough SUVs already. Instead, I would like at least one other 4x4 in the USA competing in the Wrangler class. We've gone a long time with basically just the Wrangler in that class.
 

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Good point, I was thinking more truck minded and less SUV. As more times than not a longer wheelbase is equal to a larger truck. The actual in cab volume should be taken into account as well, but I couldn’t find the wrangers or defenders total in cabin volume....

explorer 151.5 cubic feet

I’m sure everyone wants a super spacious cabin for all our goodies, but want a small exterior specs for fun days on the trails.... I’m going to research TARDIS technology for a bit...
Also under consideration is the body length/overhang to maximize approach and departure angles for an off-road capable vehicle. That said, the Explorer pushed out it's wheelbase this year, but more for cabin accommodation and handling.

I have an Excursion that fills the "I need to go somewhere distant and fairly rough, but with plenty of overhead/side clearance, and I want to take the living room and patio with me" role.

I get that others want something bigger, something smaller, something cushier, or more rugged... my guess is Ford did a bunch of focus groups and came up with the design that would sell the most units. Whether the design that meets their market survey data is the one that meets a particular person's needs remains to be seen.
 

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I feel again in the minority group but I hope the 4 door is larger than the JL.
1 of the biggest gripes I hear and share with the JL is the lack of interior space and all these renders make it appear the Bronco will have less cargo capacity than the JL which doesn’t seem like a good strategy.
With respect I'm not sure the lack of interior space is something one looks at when buying a JL. This is a vehicle that you can drive right from the showroom floor onto an off road trail. Myself for one haven't have any problems with the interior space of my JL, but I didn't go in thinking I was buying an Explorer. If the Bronco is being designed to compete with the Jeep Wrangler I would think interior space isn't going to be at a maximum. To much interior space makes for a vehicle that's too fat for off roading.
 

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With respect I'm not sure the lack of interior space is something one looks at when buying a JL. This is a vehicle that you can drive right from the showroom floor onto an off road trail. Myself for one haven't have any problems with the interior space of my JL, but I didn't go in thinking I was buying an Explorer. If the Bronco is being designed to compete with the Jeep Wrangler I would think interior space isn't going to be at a maximum. To much interior space makes for a vehicle that's too fat for off roading.
Speak for yourself, interior volume and towing capacity are 2 major reasons I don’t want a wrangler
 

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With respect I'm not sure the lack of interior space is something one looks at when buying a JL. This is a vehicle that you can drive right from the showroom floor onto an off road trail. Myself for one haven't have any problems with the interior space of my JL, but I didn't go in thinking I was buying an Explorer. If the Bronco is being designed to compete with the Jeep Wrangler I would think interior space isn't going to be at a maximum. To much interior space makes for a vehicle that's too fat for off roading.
and with respect right back at ya …..I'll be doing absolutely no rock climbing and want a comfortable ride in my IFS Bronco ….. seems like 90% of this forum is off road/rock climbers, and ***THATS FINE !!***, more power to you guys but I'll be very happy with a soft riding, hopefully a little wider 4 door Bronco I can put in 4 wheel drive and get to work or to WaWa and get me some "starter fluid"(coffee) before I start shoveling snow or down to NJ and cruising the sand with my beach buggy like 90% of the Ford Bronco buyers will be. I still think they'll be trim levels that are gonna make everybody happy. :beer:
 

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I'm with you and mountain roads and trails and forest roads aren't rock climbing. I have less expensive toys that will be used for that and they're much less expensive to fix with their plastic bodies and less expensive parts for rock climbing and riding for fun in the open air. There's not 90% rock climbers on here they just want a vehicle to do it all and feel they'll compromise without some of the features they want. When reality sets in they'll pick the one that suits their needs the best like all of us.
 

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... There's not 90% rock climbers on here they just want a vehicle to do it all and feel they'll compromise without some of the features they want. When reality sets in they'll pick the one that suits their needs the best like all of us.
An Escape? Because frankly very, very few people need an SUV at all. People buy things like this because of what they theoretically could do with it or how it makes them feel.

There is a whole string of arguments I've seen you make like "not with a $50k+ vehicle" or "take the family on a long road trip" or "comfortable every day driver" and all of those things are what a crossover is for. Ford already sells those, lots of them, in different sizes and price ranges. Most of us want Bronco because it can be something, or go to places those kinds of vehicles aren't capable of. Maybe it won't be used that way every day, but it could, and knowing that will make people feel good -- that's what sells Wranglers too.

If people know their Bronco can't do those things or go those places ... people won't feel that way about it ... and Ford won't sell as many.
 

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It seems this forum is divided into 2 groups.
The enthusiasts that are excited for the return of an icon, and finally another option to the Wrangler, which is a purpose built (off-roading) vehicle that can tackle daily life and discuss/debate what features and to what extremes would achieve that goal for them.

And then there’s the other group.

The group that destroy a mfg’s ability to build a purpose built vehicle.
 

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An Escape? Because frankly very, very few people need an SUV at all. People buy things like this because of what they theoretically could do with it or how it makes them feel.

There is a whole string of arguments I've seen you make like "not with a $50k+ vehicle" or "take the family on a long road trip" or "comfortable every day driver" and all of those things are what a crossover is for. Ford already sells those, lots of them, in different sizes and price ranges. Most of us want Bronco because it can be something, or go to places those kinds of vehicles aren't capable of. Maybe it won't be used that way every day, but it could, and knowing that will make people feel good -- that's what sells Wranglers too.

If people know their Bronco can't do those things or go those places ... people won't feel that way about it ... and Ford won't sell as many.
You may want to reread some of my posts I stated that very thing just in a different fashion just because some of you don't understand what I wrote that's not my issue. Oh and before you go there I'm sure my language is just fine too. Get serious.
 

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You may want to reread some of my posts I stated that very thing just in a different fashion just because some of you don't understand what I wrote that's not my issue. Oh and before you go there I'm sure my language is just fine too. Get serious.

You're right tough crowd........it's easier to just go away and let it shake out on it's own. That way those that can't understand what's being said won't be offended.
Please save the BS posts about supposedly "not understanding", because others have a different opinion from you.
That's a great line for people to lazy to adequately prove their point.
 

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"And then there’s the other group.

The group that destroy a mfg’s ability to build a purpose built vehicle."

you mean the other 90% who want an IFS and comfort and the ability to get thru snow, sand while carrying our surf fishing gear, our running gear and equipment.....and friends .....HOW DARE WE :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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you mean the other 90% who want an IFS and comfort and the ability to get thru snow, sand while carrying our surf fishing gear, our running gear and equipment.....and friends .....HOW DARE WE :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Exactly. And to add to this, no one is saying Ford can't build a purpose-built vehicle. In fact, the IFS fans are actually MORE open to a stick axle option than vice versa. But you guys are the ones saying "EVERY BRONCO SHOULD HAVE A STICK AXLE AND RIDE LIKE SHIT" while we're being sensible and saying "we understand some might want more capability, and for those people, there should be the 'rock monster' that has a stick axle... however, for the 99% of people that don't want to crawl around on rocks, make the standard suspension choice IFS"
 

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And then there’s the other group.

The group that destroy a mfg’s ability to build a purpose built vehicle.
Don't forget that the "other group" PAYS for the ability of any manufacturer to build something more purpose built.
You can go buy an ICON Bronco anytime and get exactly what you want.

But, it you want one at a reasonable price, then compromises will be made to insure the "other group" finances the fact that you can even get close to an ICON rig at quarter the price.

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Have at it.
or, suck it up that some Bronco's will be mall crawlers and will require AC and an Automatic.
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