Bronco may not be eligible for Xplan ( never mind clarification received)

[Kris87]

Early on you had Motor Trend and others floating out there to go to MCA, pay $25 , and get the X Plan. Seemed too easy. However, I always saw it as a way to control the bad publicity of locking in customers to a dealer charging last minute ADMs. This is a lower production vehicle that will draw customers to the showroom. In a world of online buying this can bring some traffic back. If Ford screws this up it will be another step towards the collapse of brick & mortar franchises where they become test tracks and service centers. Ford had the ability to price in the X plan and at least give the appearance of allowing value shopping. - Ford and Jim Farley better be listening to this one. Thanks for the input @Kris87

I know there's a handful of folks here that don't like anything I say, and that's perfectly fine. I'm only sharing info that I'm hearing from some folks way up the ladder. I don't have 100% knowledge it's ineligible, but it seems that it's going to be. I even heard the Mustang Club membership being a part of the reason, so that told me it had some validity. This was all told to some dealers yesterday after discussion of the DIO plan, so I know it was discussed.

I'm just like anyone else on here wanting to discuss thoughts, rumors, plans, etc....I'm not doing business with one person on this forum.

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[Gamecock]

They don't get a rebate, but a specific commission. I guarantee you it is a violation to sell a Ford vehicle below ANY plan price. Ford has no way to verify at time of sale, but the dealer is required to fill out azdx plan price worksheet, and dealers get audited all the time for compliance. I have it in writing from Ford that it's a violation, as I specifically asked last week.

That said, dealers operate on their own accord, and it's up to Ford to verify compliance with the plan program. There's no way I'd jeopardize getting plan privileges revoked.

Here's my email....

I already know the answer to this, but I want to confirm. Under x-plan, dealers can’t sell below the actual x-plan price can they?

I keep seeing Bronco dealers advertising this all over the place.


Correct they cannot, the ad standards team will pick up on dealers doing this

That makes sense. I assume then that they aren’t processing these as XPlan orders in that case, but just offering an additional savings to those who could use XPlan to make it worth it to them and draw them in. Good move on their part.

 

[Ricepuddin]

Just so everyone is clear , I want to be wrong or miss reading this email. I did have coffee before posting this, but maybe I have so 2020 pessimistic glasses on

 

[Kris87]

Man, Granger has really rustled your jimmies

Negative. It's just misinformation and I think people should know. What's wrong with people knowing how plan deals work?

 

[ct1975]

I already know the answer to this, but I want to confirm. Under x-plan, dealers can’t sell below the actual x-plan price can they?

I keep seeing Bronco dealers advertising this all over the place.


Correct they cannot, the ad standards team will pick up on dealers doing this

@Granger Ford ...care to comment for those of us expecting to take advantage of your advertised deal: $1300 under invoice for X-Plan eligible customers?

 

[tshaw2009]

I asked out top 3 tweeters to do just that yesterday. @tshaw2009 , @BroncBro & @Xodric . I know 2 of them did, but I don't think Levine ever responded to them.

You are correct. I have not received a response from Mike Levine at this point. I doubt he will to be completely honest. He's only ever responded to me like twice.

 

[Boxer4]

They don't get a rebate, but a specific commission. I guarantee you it is a violation to sell a Ford vehicle below ANY plan price. Ford has no way to verify at time of sale, but the dealer is required to fill out azdx plan price worksheet, and dealers get audited all the time for compliance. I have it in writing from Ford that it's a violation, as I specifically asked last week.

That said, dealers operate on their own accord, and it's up to Ford to verify compliance with the plan program. There's no way I'd jeopardize getting plan privileges revoked.

Here's my email....

I already know the answer to this, but I want to confirm. Under x-plan, dealers can’t sell below the actual x-plan price can they?

I keep seeing Bronco dealers advertising this all over the place.


Correct they cannot, the ad standards team will pick up on dealers doing this

So the X Plan is really a fixed price plan.

 

[vrtical]

Most of the time dealers will just play with their numbers anyways on all the fees so it would be easy to state a 'X' amount discount even with X plan because all the dealer is doing is dropping their "hidden" fees they would normally do. Now I know there is caps on X plan so that makes it harder, but invoice discount deals can be done without submitting the pin.

 

[Gamecock]

@Granger Ford ...care to comment for those of us expecting to take advantage of your advertised deal: $1300 under invoice for X-Plan eligible customers?

Why would they comment on it? They offered it. They will honor it. How they do it is up to them. If I were them I wouldn’t respond to other dealers putting out this kind of thing because they are jealous Granger and others are earning orders.

 

[Kris87]

That makes sense. I assume then that they aren’t processing these as XPlan orders in that case, but just offering an additional savings to those who could use XPlan to make it worth it to them and draw them in. Good move on their part.

Yes, I agree that you could work it as a non x-plan deal, but you cannot advertise it. It's specifically why he mentioned the ad standards team. All dealers "should" adhere to specific ad guidelines that Ford puts out. We just got new ones this year.

 

[Gamecock]

Yes, I agree that you could work it as a non x-plan deal, but you cannot advertise it. It's specifically why he mentioned the ad standards team. All dealers "should" adhere to specific ad guidelines that Ford puts out. We just got new ones this year.

Do those ad standards apply to message board postings, or just paid ads?

 

[Kris87]

So the X Plan is really a fixed price plan.

Yes it is 100% fixed, no different than the employee plans. Unlike other OEM's, like CDJR, that allow you to sell under the plan price and still receive the commission. Ford does not allow any deviation at all.

 

[vrtical]

So the X Plan is really a fixed price plan.

The other things that come into play which wont be an issue on the Bronco is incentive deals etc. I bought my last truck not using x plan because you cant usually stack x plan plus all the incentives and in cases stated here if the dealer is offering its own discounts. Sometimes x plan is better other times its not. I think the Bronco is going to be a Yes on x plan benefits.

 

[mikeandmiki]

Isn't the Granger deal only an additional $300 off if you have Xplan? So their deal isn't Xplan dependant except for the $300, it's still $1000 below invoice unless I'm not understanding their deal correctly.

$300 isn't that big a deal on a $50-60K vehicle.

 

[Gamecock]

Isn't the Granger deal only an additional $300 off if you have Xplan? So their deal isn't Xplan dependant except for the $300, it's still $1000 below invoice unless I'm not understanding their deal correctly.

That’s right. If dealers did push to force the removal of plan access, it won’t really effect Granger customers much...and it will give them another avalanche of orders form those who had planned to use the various plans.

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