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this is like the FB half ton haulers group.... The only thing I care about is the Bronco needs to be reasonable and I need ability to have 4 reasonably sized adults and my beer cooler. Not thrilled if I have to get some midget friends and a 6 pack of beer only.
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If you are going to overland, modify, or pull a trailer, you might as well throw GVWR out the window.
GVWR on my wrangler is 5,000...it weighs 4,740 without me. I don’t even have any crazy mods. So, me and my wife can’t even ride in my Jeep. ?.
the GVWR on the Bronco is about the last thing I’m worried about.

Btw, l’m not denying that the 4 door GVWR is bullshit.
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You're right, it's hard to compare it to a corvette. But if you're planning on pulling a 30ft camper up to the mountains with the '85 Bears O line then you might want to think about other options
Many of us have a truck for that and aren't expecting that extreme from the Bronco.. But it is not unreasonable to expect enough payload and towing to support a fun day in the sun with topless towing of a boat or jet skis to the water. With the exception of the topless part, my Jeep Liberty has done this with ease (boat/trailer near 5000 lb) and has taken me on offload adventures in the Appalachian mountains. My guess is that the Bronco will be the fun car I'm looking for, but it might take a year or two for Ford to get it there.
 

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Adding the roof rack with break the assembly line! Like the straw that broke the camel's back.

Mechanical engineers always put significant Factor of Safety into their designs (3x for static rigs is typical). Adding a roof rack (maybe 1% of the Bronco's total weight at most) must be making the Factor of Safety 2.99 ---- so no roof rack mister man!
They also have to consider the CG impact and what that may do to a tipping moment in a turn at speed.
 

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lol. Those people coming here to say “Bronco is fine if it can haul 40% less than a Corolla, if you want more than 2 people in your car buy a F150”. Seriously....
most marketing by Ford show fully loaded Broncos, including with overlanding gear. So no I am not dreaming that need, Ford markets it. So stop BS us here.

it’s also for that reason that I have a hard time believing a FE has a GVWR of only 6000. That’s why we need a confirmation from Ford.
I'm kind of in the same boat as you. I think there can be no way the GVWR is limited at 6k. The original estimated payload was 1300lbs, on par with a wrangler unlimited. I mean, look at the Filson Bronco. That thing had a 50+ gallon water tank/pump plus a ton of gear, heavy interior, and a full steel roof rack. Not to mention SAS package, steel bumpers and a winch. Why TF would they make a concept vehicle that exceeds the GVWR just by throwing in a water tank + pump, not to mention all the other stuff? I don't get it and I don't care if they have to bump up a vehicle class, everyone will compare it to the wrangler anyway. I don't understand how they could've made such an error. I'd like some official numbers from Ford.
 

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i do not think Ford officially stated it’s below 6000. If it is, then it means a stock first edition has 680 lbs payload maximum (6000-5320) per your screenshot.
That means that after 4 small (150lbs) people in the car and a dog, you are done. Can’t even bring a suitcase with you and not be illegal in a crash. That would be utterly ridiculous.
if a FE has 680 lbs of payload I am canceling my order immediately. A wrangler keeps a low but decent (1200+) payload across all trims including Rubicon. Most overlanders criticize this Wrangler payload already. Good off-roaders today have 1600+. 680 can’t possibly be true. A Toyota Corolla has 1000.
I'm not familiar with Corolla payload capacity but I'd be surprised if it were 1000 lbs. Check the white and yellow sticker in the door jam. Our 2016 JKU has a payload of 850 lbs. My 2019 F150 is 1848 lbs, higher than most half ton pickups. Most Raptors are in the 1200-1300 lb range. I've seen some of these stickers on pics of the broncos at the factory but they're always too far away to zoom in and see actual payload.
 

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2016 JKU. GVWR 5400 lbs. Payload 850 lbs. I would expect the Bronco to be similar.
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Ford hasn’t released the GVWR, yet a bunch of you are getting worked up because someone speculated it’ll be 6,000# or under. Then you’re calculating payload weight based on that at 600# to 700# or under and getting yourselves even more worked up. Ford has published acceptable preliminary payload of ratings and those are shown in this thread, yet those numbers are ignored by many because it seems people would rather create problems they can whine and complain about. Seems to me many are coming up with reasons not to order.
 

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Ford hasn’t released the GVWR, yet a bunch of you are getting worked up because someone speculated it’ll be 6,000# or under. Then you’re calculating payload weight based on that at 600# to 700# or under and getting yourselves even more worked up. Ford has published acceptable preliminary payload of ratings and those are shown in this thread, yet those numbers are ignored by many because it seems people would rather create problems they can whine and complain about. Seems to me many are coming up with reasons not to order.
No speculation required, Ford will not allow Roof Rails, Headliners or PPF on certain trims but they said it would be fixed in 2022.
 

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From published data:
Heaviest curb weight = 5129 (2-Doors) or 5320 lbs (4-Doors).
Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) = 8840 lbs. (for both 2 & 4 Doors)
Payload Rating = 1170 or 1370 lbs. (for 2-Doors or 4-Doors, respectively)

I don't remember whether the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) has been published or not. Even if it has not, we can still draw a couple of conclusions from the published data we currently have.

1. For non-towing, the payload is 1170 (2-Doors) or 1370 lbs (4-Doors). Because Ford published these numbers.

2. For towing, the max tow rating is 3500 lbs. Tongue weight would be 350 lbs. (typically 10% of tow weight).
- On 2-Doors trims, you can tow 3500 lbs. and carry a payload of 820 lbs. (1170 - 350).
- On 4-Doors trims, you can tow 3500 lbs. and carry a payload of 1020 lbs. (1370 - 350).
 

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From published data:
Heaviest curb weight = 5129 (2-Doors) or 5320 lbs (4-Doors).
Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) = 8840 lbs. (for both 2 & 4 Doors)
Payload Rating = 1170 or 1370 lbs. (for 2-Doors or 4-Doors, respectively)

I don't remember whether the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) has been published or not. Even if it has not, we can still draw a couple of conclusions from the published data we currently have.

1. For non-towing, the payload is 1170 (2-Doors) or 1370 lbs (4-Doors). Because Ford published these numbers.

2. For towing, the max tow rating is 3500 lbs. Tongue weight would be 350 lbs. (typically 10% of tow weight).
- On 2-Doors trims, you can tow 3500 lbs. and carry a payload of 820 lbs. (1170 - 350).
- On 4-Doors trims, you can tow 3500 lbs. and carry a payload of 1020 lbs. (1370 - 350).
Appreciate the math. But the problem is Ford payload says maximum...1370 payload. We have no idea which trim to start running the numbers.
 

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Appreciate the math. But the problem is Ford payload says maximum...1370 payload. We have no idea which trim to start running the numbers.
Most likley that would be the Base so they can advertise the highest number since it has the least equipment.
 

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My JLU Sport is 5300 gvwr and my JLU Rubicon is 5800 gvwr.
 
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Ford hasn’t released the GVWR, yet a bunch of you are getting worked up because someone speculated it’ll be 6,000# or under. Then you’re calculating payload weight based on that at 600# to 700# or under and getting yourselves even more worked up. Ford has published acceptable preliminary payload of ratings and those are shown in this thread, yet those numbers are ignored by many because it seems people would rather create problems they can whine and complain about. Seems to me many are coming up with reasons not to order.
not sure who you are referring to but I mentioned multiple times in the thread that I have a hard time believing the 6000 lbs. All I ask in this thread is for Ford to publish actual numbers so there is no speculation.


1. For non-towing, the payload is 1170 (2-Doors) or 1370 lbs (4-Doors). Because Ford published these numbers.
thanks but that’s not accurate those published payload are “max payload” per Ford official wording which means it’s most likely for a BASE trim. A Sasquatch or Badland is a totally different story and we do not have those numbers, thus the reason for this thread.
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