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And the right time of year for your trip is March / April. This of course depends on the year. They are all different.
I usually venture out in July. That is our shutdown we are forced week of vacation then I add my other 2 weeks on take the month off. I def know not ideal be in the area in July. I may have to just do two weeks. End of March is my birthday be a fun trip!
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I usually venture out in July. That is our shutdown we are forced week of vacation then I add my other 2 weeks on take the month off. I def know not ideal be in the area in July. I may have to just do two weeks. End of March is my birthday be a fun trip!
July works too. You just need to adjust your fantasy a bit. Plan on the open air experience in your Bronco like a drive through a blast furnace. Stay away from death valley that time of year. It didn't get its name for no reason at all.
 
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Quick update on this story:
Apparently Ford likes to call this spot "Bronco Outlook", "Bronco Vista", and/or "Bronco Overlook" according to the latest walk-around video by @jparker
If you haven't seen it yet, here's the link:
 

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Quick update on this story:
Apparently Ford likes to call this spot "Bronco Outlook", "Bronco Vista", and/or "Bronco Overlook" according to the latest walk-around video by @jparker
If you haven't seen it yet, here's the link:

They might call it that, ........ But I still see it as Bronco Knoll. ;)
 

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I'll be back in Johnson Valley again later this month and/or early next month for King of the Hammers, and will gladly lead a group of other adventurous souls to the site. I hope many Bronco owners will visit Bronco Knoll in the future and add a stone to the pile!
I really love this idea! I'll take a Petoskey stone to add to the pile.
 
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They might call it that, ........ But I still see it as Bronco Knoll. ;)
Me too. As far as I'm concerned it is and will always be Bronco Knoll. I'm sure the folks at Ford will give in and start calling it that too. I considered several names and discussed them with my son on our way up and back down the trail, including mountain (not tall enough), bluff (good alliteration but not really accurate geographically), hill (not unique enough), ridge (too imprecise), point (confusing), peak (too aspirational), and several others. To me, nothing else quite captures the essence of the location like Bronco Knoll.
 

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Me too. As far as I'm concerned it is and will always be Bronco Knoll. I'm sure the folks at Ford will give in and start calling it that too. I considered several names and discussed them with my son on our way up and back down the trail, including mountain (not tall enough), bluff (good alliteration but not really accurate geographically), hill (not unique enough), ridge (too imprecise), point (confusing), peak (too aspirational), and several others. To me, nothing else quite captures the essence of the location like Bronco Knoll.
I like knoll better than those other options, including Ford's. I think 'knob' would have been good also.
 
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I like knoll better than those other options, including Ford's. I think 'knob' would have been good also.
Good suggestion. Bronco knob has good palindromic alliteration, but makes me think of a gearshift knob, not a hill. While you've got your thesaurus out, brae and tor are nice too, but I'm sticking with Bronco Knoll.
 

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not to be debbie downer here... but I thought most of the people on this forum would be the outdoorsy types... What happened to the 'leave no trace' motto?

Why did you need to mark your territory? Why not leave it the way it was, as it was, for other people to enjoy? Cairns are considered vandalism & graffiti in a lot of places.

While I think what you did was an awesome experience. Don't leave your mark behind. Let others enjoy it the way you got to enjoy it. No need to let everyone know you were first by making a rock pile.

I may catch a lot of flak for this post, but TBH, I find it disrespectful.
 

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not to be debbie downer here... but I thought most of the people on this forum would be the outdoorsy types... What happened to the 'leave no trace' motto?

Why did you need to mark your territory? Why not leave it the way it was, as it was, for other people to enjoy? Cairns are considered vandalism & graffiti in a lot of places.

While I think what you did was an awesome experience. Don't leave your mark behind. Let others enjoy it the way you got to enjoy it. No need to let everyone know you were first by making a rock pile.

I may catch a lot of flak for this post, but TBH, I find it disrespectful.
Does your dwelling or the roads you drive on leave no trace? It was wilderness at one point too.

Your virtue signal has been received, though.
 

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Does your dwelling or the roads you drive on leave no trace? It was wilderness at one point too.
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"Leave No Trace Seven Principles (U.S. National Park Service)" https://www.nps.gov/articles/leave-no-trace-seven-principles.htm

Leave What You Find

Preserve the past: examine, photograph, but do not touch cultural or historic structures and artifacts.
Leave rocks, plants and other natural objects as you find them.
Avoid introducing or transporting non-native species.
Do not build structures, furniture, or dig trenches.
 

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"Leave No Trace Seven Principles (U.S. National Park Service)" https://www.nps.gov/articles/leave-no-trace-seven-principles.htm

Leave What You Find

Preserve the past: examine, photograph, but do not touch cultural or historic structures and artifacts.
Leave rocks, plants and other natural objects as you find them.
Avoid introducing or transporting non-native species.
Do not build structures, furniture, or dig trenches.
But how are new cultural or historic structures introduced if we don't create them for the Bronco culture?
 
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not to be debbie downer here... but I thought most of the people on this forum would be the outdoorsy types... What happened to the 'leave no trace' motto?

Why did you need to mark your territory? Why not leave it the way it was, as it was, for other people to enjoy? Cairns are considered vandalism & graffiti in a lot of places.

While I think what you did was an awesome experience. Don't leave your mark behind. Let others enjoy it the way you got to enjoy it. No need to let everyone know you were first by making a rock pile.

I may catch a lot of flak for this post, but TBH, I find it disrespectful.
I respect your opinion. I do love the outdoors, and I strongly adhere to leave no trace principles. While not an excuse to purposely destroy the land, it should be understood that Johnson Valley OHV Area is not exactly an untouched pristine wilderness. It's an open vehicle area containing dozens of mines and prospects, and criss-crossed with thousands of roads, trails, and tracks.

While I generally agree with your perspective in most cases, and I'd hate to see mounds of rocks or other markers dotting the landscape every hundred yards, there are some important locations and routes that deserve a memorial or waymarker. Already there are man-made survey monuments (usually either chiseled stone or capped metal pipe, often with rock mounds next to them) every half-mile on a 1 mile by 1 mile grid covering the vast majority of the Western US that define land ownership of private lands and the management agency boundaries of public lands, including throughout Johnson Valley. The only exceptions I know of are Spanish Land Grants that pre-existed the Public Lands Survey System, some wilderness areas, and some tribal lands (and some as-yet unsurveyed land in Alaska). Many of the monuments date back to the late 1800s. If you look around, you may see some of them there. The USGS Topo Maps show those 1 mile by 1 mile squares (known as sections), usually as red lines, and the sidelines of each one of those squares is (or at one time was) marked on the ground at the corners and midpoints (hint: if you see a '+' mark on the map, the monument was recovered by USGS surveyors in the course of their cadastral work). Where public and or private ownership boundaries follow divisions of those sections into 1/4 sections, or 1/16 sections (what your grandfather might have called the "back forty"), or even smaller divisions, there is usually a marker. There is probably a survey monument at the corners of the land your home sits on. Other monuments not on the grid lines have been installed at various locations for other uses as well, such as mining claims, benchmarks, triangulation stations (those are shown on the USGS maps as triangles), reference monuments, witness monuments, bearing trees (those are really cool to find) and a host of others. In fact there is a triangulation station about a mile and a half Northwest of Bronco Knoll that I intend to search for next time I'm out there.

If the Bureau of Land Management objects to this cairn, then I will remove it. Otherwise, I believe this spot is of significant importance to the off-roading community and merits a respectful monument. I believe this cairn to be an appropriate way to preserve Bronco history and create a challenging and rewarding destination for off-road enthusiasts.

(Also, I just happen to earn a living by marking my and your territory.)

As a side note, Johnson Valley is negatively impacted by litter. I hauled away a garbage bag full of trash that I picked up around my campsite, and I challenge every other member of this forum to do the same whenever they get a chance to enjoy our public lands.
 

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State Plane scaled to ground please, US FT, :) JK

I thought I read somewhere that it was in Nevada but I guess not.
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