Can Baja Design lens and bezel be flipped 180 degrees?

[MGF]

I’m planning to mount a triple Baja Designs in bumper light set up on my Bronco Raptor. Squadron Pro 2.0 driving combo amber, S2 Pro wide corner amber, and S2 Pro wide corner clear on each side. The mounting bracket hangs the lights upside down. I’d like to flip the bezel and lens so that the logo is right side up. Seems to be no issue for the S2’s but the Squadron Pro driving combo has 2 upper clear portions of lens and 2 lower corrugated portions of lens and the lower 2 LED chips are larger than the 2 upper ones, so flipping the lens might effect lighting. Looking for input on this.

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[Chrome_Pony]

Yes, they can flip the lens.

 

[swamp2]

The lenses on their DOT (street legal) lights can be mechanically flipped but it changes the optics significantly. In other words, don't flip those.

Non-DOT are fine to flip, i.e. Ard optically symmetric. Folks typically flip these just for cosmetic reasons to make the logos appear readable.

 

[BUFF]

The lenses on their DOT (street legal) lights can be mechanically flipped but it changes the optics significantly. In other words, don't flip those.

Non-DOT are fine to flip, i.e. Ard optically symmetric. Folks typically flip these just for cosmetic reasons to make the logos appear readable.

I have some dot’s that are mounted upside down for fogs in an LOD bumper. So what you’re saying is upside down Ok or do they need to be rightside up? A little confusing. Ouch!

 

[swamp2]

I have some dot’s that are mounted upside down for fogs in an LOD bumper. So what you’re saying is upside down Ok or do they need to be rightside up? A little confusing. Ouch!

Hmmm, I reread my post and think it's quite clear, but I will try again.

BD makes DOT legal and off road only Squadrons (aka non DOT). Their internal optics may differ but their lenses absolutely do differ, contributing to a sharper, more factory like headlight beam pattern, i.e. more vertically cut off to prevent blinding oncoming drivers.

Although you can flip the lenses on both DOT and non DOT lights, you should avoid doing so on the DOT ones (as well as paying attention to which side is "up" on the DOT ones) as it will produce an odd and non compliant beam pattern (if you care about the latter).

On the contrary, rotating the lenses on the non DOT lights will have no effect on their beam pattern (i.e. my prior USD of the word "symmetric"). Mounting these lights upside down is also irrelevant, as you'll get the same beam pattern. AFAIK, the only reason folks rotate the lenses on the non DOTs is to make the little BD words or logos right side up.

Clear?

 

[MGF]

I appreciate the response. I have the Squadron Pro 2.0 with an amber driving combo lens. In the correct orientation the lower 2 diffuse grated parts of the lens produce a left to right wide beam about 2 foot high off the ground when measured on a garage door 20' away. The upper 2 clear parts of the lens produce a roundish spot on top of this lower wide bar. If you flip the light upside down without flipping the lens the spot ends up lower beneath the wide beam and the wide beam ends up higher - starting 1 foot off of the ground. So if you are inverting the lens to mount with the bracket at the top you do need to flip the lens 180 degrees to have the light operate as designed. With this said, I will note that the lower 2 LEDs in the conventional mounting direction are larger than the upper 2 LEDS. I imagine this is to provide more light through the diffuse pattern. When you switch the lens around and hang the light upside down now the 2 larger LEDS are matched up with the clear portion of the lens not the grated portion. For what it's worth......

 

[BUFF]

Hmmm, I reread my post and think it's quite clear, but I will try again.

BD makes DOT legal and off road only Squadrons (aka non DOT). Their internal optics may differ but their lenses absolutely do differ, contributing to a sharper, more factory like headlight beam pattern, i.e. more vertically cut off to prevent blinding oncoming drivers.

Although you can flip the lenses on both DOT and non DOT lights, you should avoid doing so on the DOT ones (as well as paying attention to which side is "up" on the DOT ones) as it will produce an odd and non compliant beam pattern (if you care about the latter).

On the contrary, rotating the lenses on the non DOT lights will have no effect on their beam pattern (i.e. my prior USD of the word "symmetric"). Mounting these lights upside down is also irrelevant, as you'll get the same beam pattern. AFAIK, the only reason folks rotate the lenses on the non DOTs is to make the little BD words or logos right side up.

Clear?

Clear. Thanks for the explanation

 

[Baja Designs]

I appreciate the response. I have the Squadron Pro 2.0 with an amber driving combo lens. In the correct orientation the lower 2 diffuse grated parts of the lens produce a left to right wide beam about 2 foot high off the ground when measured on a garage door 20' away. The upper 2 clear parts of the lens produce a roundish spot on top of this lower wide bar. If you flip the light upside down without flipping the lens the spot ends up lower beneath the wide beam and the wide beam ends up higher - starting 1 foot off of the ground. So if you are inverting the lens to mount with the bracket at the top you do need to flip the lens 180 degrees to have the light operate as designed. With this said, I will note that the lower 2 LEDs in the conventional mounting direction are larger than the upper 2 LEDS. I imagine this is to provide more light through the diffuse pattern. When you switch the lens around and hang the light upside down now the 2 larger LEDS are matched up with the clear portion of the lens not the grated portion. For what it's worth......

Our Pro Models have a variety of LEDs, as there isn't an LED on the market that can give both distance and close range. In the event you rotate the bezel 180 degrees, the LED designed for distance will be diffused. You will lose a bit of distance, but it will be very minimal.

Best,

Brahian Herrera | Forum Sales & Support
Email: [email protected] | Phone: (760) 560-2252 Ext 201

 

[MGF]

Our Pro Models have a variety of LEDs, as there isn't an LED on the market that can give both distance and close range. In the event you rotate the bezel 180 degrees, the LED designed for distance will be diffused. You will lose a bit of distance, but it will be very minimal.

Best,

Brahian Herrera | Forum Sales & Support
Email: [email protected] | Phone: (760) 560-2252 Ext 201

Thanks for that feedback. And is my testing correct in that if I just mount the Squadron upside down and don’t flip the bezel 180 the distance “spot” is actually now below the “wide” diffuse beam?

 

[swamp2]

Our Pro Models have a variety of LEDs, as there isn't an LED on the market that can give both distance and close range. In the event you rotate the bezel 180 degrees, the LED designed for distance will be diffused. You will lose a bit of distance, but it will be very minimal.

Thanks Brian, please clarify.

I assume you are talking about the non DOT Squadron lights? I'd that the same as "Pro"?

Can non DOT lights be run with the main body at 0° or flipped at 180°?

The impact of bezel flipping is very minimal on non DOT lights?

How should the bezels be oriented for performance, ignoring the cosmetic logo issue for both 0° and 180° mountings?

If you want to be extremely thorough, also cover the same questions for the DOT Squadrons.

 

[Baja Designs]

Thanks Brian, please clarify.

I assume you are talking about the non DOT Squadron lights? I'd that the same as "Pro"?

Can non DOT lights be run with the main body at 0° or flipped at 180°?

The impact of bezel flipping is very minimal on non DOT lights?

How should the bezels be oriented for performance, ignoring the cosmetic logo issue for both 0° and 180° mountings?

If you want to be extremely thorough, also cover the same questions for the DOT Squadrons.

We don't make a Pro SAE. We offer off-road light in the Sport and Pro variants. Our Off-road models are serviceable. When it comes to our SAE, those are NOT serviceable. Rather than the lens forming the pattern, as with our off-road lights on the SAE, the reflectors do the pattern. If you are flipping the light 180 or 90, the internals also need to flip. When purchasing our Universal SAE if you call in, you can purchase the light to fit your exact needs. In the case you have a Universal Set, you can also send them in to get adjusted. As for all Vehicle-specific kits that use our SAE come adjusted from the factory depending on the kit.

Best,

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