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@fifteen52 , do you guys intend on having the +25 offset wheel available for Jeeps as well? The +0 really only works for the JK, not so much for the JL. The people who want a retro wheel like this are actively trying to avoid the bro-dozer angry grill look that is typical of a 0 offset wheel...

Jeep I’d wager is still better rock crawling and technical trails. Not as wide as an airbus a380. Braptor is obviously better in the desert but that’s such a limited use case. I just wish they’d put the normal 5.7 hemi in a 2 door willys soft top.

The odds are only similar *for now*. If Ford sourced valves made of cheese, it’s not a question of if, but a question of when.

I love how it’s always the “I pay cash for my car” people that pontificate in these type of threads. I’d rather stay as liquid as possible with a looming recession. The cash is for time critical, once in a blue moon, get in now type of deals. Not buying a dumb car. If you can pay adm, you should...

No. Bronco buyers have marginally higher incomes than Wrangler customers i.e. the Gaussian distribution is very relevant here. Just a though experiment: Which is the more useful statistic for Ford, or other stakeholders? The net combined yearly income of all bronco owners, or the...

The über rich only want the Bronco because it's the new thing. Once it's as ubiquitous as a V6 Mustang rental (which it inevitably will be), it will lose all luster, and they will go back to their G classes.

I'm a granger oct reservation, so I'm probably slated for 2035. I put in an order on a Jeep Wrangler, officially throwing in the towel. 2 weeks in, and I already have a vin for the Jeep.

I have generally always believed that bigger fender flares are better. From e30 m3s, to Lancer Evos to f150 raptors. Until I saw this thing. Leave it to Ford to make the Bronco Raptor so incredibly hideous that it loses all appeal as a Raptor product.

I am a Granger order, so the circuit edition will probably get here before the Bronco. I'm gonna talk to some dealers about getting a reservation, but it definitely has tons of appeal.

You can get 7k off of the 392, and you probably have to pay 10k ADM on a Bronco. I think a Sasquatch badlands is pretty comparable in price at the end of the day. At least for now.

Lexus IS500, Tacoma TRD Pro 6 speed, Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 2 door, Land Rover Defender 90

I’m an October reservation, wondering if the tread lightly discount of 1 percent under invoice will net a total of 5 percent under invoice on a rubicon Jeep?

If I can get a black diamond mid package and manual, and green...then I'll be a happy camper for 2022. If not, I'll probably just get a trd pro tacoma.

Most people that buy these things will be on the freeway commuting to work. The 4runner is gutless at those speeds.

I feel the same way about the bronco 4 door as I do about the bronco sport. A watered down gross version designed for the plebian masses. Hence why all the "just got my bronco" threads are of the 4 door.

I'd get a trd pro 4runner or tacoma if you plan on glipping it in a year.

I still think the steelied Black Diamond 2 door is the best looking bronco. There is no good looking 4 door Bronco, and the Sasquatch 2 doors look more like modded up International Scouts than a Bronco.

There's always the G550 Mercedes if you want luxury.

In 10 years it'll be like every 10 year old v6 Mustang you see around.

Tacoma depreciates 32 percent after 5 years, 7 series depreciates 68 percent after 5 years. It's more model dependent than brand, for example, a BMW M2 holds its value pretty well.