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The people getting good mileage from a Jeep, would be doing it in a Bronco too. I'll bet you I'll get 23 out of my 2.3 Manual. Because I don't race around or speed.
The amount of power expected today is unreasonable. When the original broncos (and Jeeps) were out when I was in my 20s, they were very underpowered, but with a 55 MPH national speed limit, it didn't matter. Today the highways are more crowded, but people expect to "merge with traffic at 80 MPH"....the only thing not killing 100K people a year is better vehicle bodies and air bags. There are TONS of wrecks on every highway every day because of this excessive speed and drooling lust for more and more horsepower. Sorry, but the people complaining that a Bronco isn't a 12 second quarter mile vehicle are ridiculous. Slow down, enjoy life more. Driving doesn't have to be a Death Wish, extreme sport. It's about getting to your destination and enjoying the outdoors. Not posing "bad-ass" and blowing away people at every light, cutting off everyone that wrongs you, ripping up behind me at 80 MPH when I'm trying to pass a semi, because, well, you have some competitive need for attention.

I've pulled a 3 horse trailer with my 2002 F-150 and it barely gets up to 75MPH over about 30 seconds. So what? If anything, we need to slow the speed limits down a little, and cops need to start writing more tickets. At least in my state, it's like Road Warrior out there. We have many more fatal accidents due to excessive speed than were conceivable 20 years ago.
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Wow this is terrible. My wife has a 4 cylinder Jeep and I personally think it’s dog slow. The 2.7 is only a tenth of a second faster? Wow. Was not expecting that. I mean I really feel the jeep is severely underpowered. This is very disappointing news.

oh and she gets 25 mpg.
 

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I think that's the data they had in house. don't think this is meant to be a head to head comparo. Just an fyi to give us an idea of the acceleration of the two vehicles in this segment.
Way to go c&d trying to be the first for this when they half-a$$ed it.. You can't compare a 2 door to a 4 door. These 0-60 means nothing to me. Might as well compare a prius to a hellcat
 

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Too many words to read (to see if it was mentioned), but is the 2 door Bronco really comparable to a 4 door Wrangler? Maybe I'm missing something 🤷‍♂️ Just seems like why bother.
Absolutely. I'll take it a step further and say the only reason they tested and compared these off-roaders in a meaningless drag race was to get eyeballs, stoke emotions and sell ads.
 

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Ah, the conveniences of testing a vehicle you don't own. I want to see this on video :ROFLMAO:
I’ll never forget the article on the ‘15 WRX lol:
“Rev the engine high enough to get wheelspin when the clutch engages, and shift out of first around 5200 rpm,” advised the engineer. With the four-wheel-drive traction of the WRX in mind, we wondered aloud, “You sure the clutch and gearbox will survive that launch?”
“Oh, yes,” he grinned.
And so, here’s how we hit 60 mph in 4.8 seconds: We held the engine at the 6700-rpm redline, jumped off the clutch, shifted out of first at about 5300 rpm, and held on to second until the car hit the redline in second at 61 mph.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15111292/2015-subaru-wrx-sedan-manual-test-review/
 

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Wow this is terrible. My wife has a 4 cylinder Jeep and I personally think it’s dog slow. The 2.7 is only a tenth of a second faster? Wow. Was not expecting that. I mean I really feel the jeep is severely underpowered. This is very disappointing news.

oh and she gets 25 mpg.
Tenth of a second faster staring in second gear. It’s slower in an apples to apples.
 

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I love these numbers considering a saquatch'ed bronco is going to be the slowest possible configuration.
 

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Wow this is terrible. My wife has a 4 cylinder Jeep and I personally think it’s dog slow. The 2.7 is only a tenth of a second faster? Wow. Was not expecting that. I mean I really feel the jeep is severely underpowered. This is very disappointing news.

oh and she gets 25 mpg.
I know several people who have Jeeps and they say the 2.0 is a dog. I'm not sure what gives, because according to C&D it's a beast. I have seen 5,000lb 4x4 f-150's with the 2.7 test under 6 seconds to 60. While I think low 6 seconds is impressive with SAS, this test seems a bit fishy to me. IDK? I ordered a 2.3 even tho I love the 2.7. I just don't see it being worth $2k and I don't need a Bronco going to 60 mph in 6 seconds. Maybe I'm missing something?
 

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I know several people who have Jeeps and they say the 2.0 is a dog. I'm not sure what gives, because according to C&D it's a beast. I have seen 5,000lb 4x4 f-150's with the 2.7 test under 6 seconds to 60. While I think low 6 seconds is impressive with SAS, this test seems a bit fishy to me. IDK? I ordered a 2.3 even tho I love the 2.7. I just don't see it being worth $2k and I don't need a Bronco going to 60 mph in 6 seconds. Maybe I'm missing something?
There are so many valid reasons to have the 2.7 over the 2.3. There is no good reasons to chose the 2.3 over the 2.7 other than you want to shift it or your not willing to spend the extra money.
This forum is full of information as is the rest of the internet with expert reviews.

Why do people keep asking?
 

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Wow this is terrible. My wife has a 4 cylinder Jeep and I personally think it’s dog slow. The 2.7 is only a tenth of a second faster? Wow. Was not expecting that. I mean I really feel the jeep is severely underpowered. This is very disappointing news.

oh and she gets 25 mpg.
Are you going to cancel your reservation?
 

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All I know is that if it doesn't make enough power, it won't be much effort to add more. For all those people crying about the 10R60, there are upgraded transmission packs already available for them as well.

It's going to be fine... and I suspect much can be resolved with simply flashing the transmission ECU and engine ECU.
 

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The people getting good mileage from a Jeep, would be doing it in a Bronco too. I'll bet you I'll get 23 out of my 2.3 Manual. Because I don't race around or speed.
The amount of power expected today is unreasonable. When the original broncos (and Jeeps) were out when I was in my 20s, they were very underpowered, but with a 55 MPH national speed limit, it didn't matter. Today the highways are more crowded, but people expect to "merge with traffic at 80 MPH"....the only thing not killing 100K people a year is better vehicle bodies and air bags. There are TONS of wrecks on every highway every day because of this excessive speed and drooling lust for more and more horsepower. Sorry, but the people complaining that a Bronco isn't a 12 second quarter mile vehicle are ridiculous. Slow down, enjoy life more. Driving doesn't have to be a Death Wish, extreme sport. It's about getting to your destination and enjoying the outdoors. Not posing "bad-ass" and blowing away people at every light, cutting off everyone that wrongs you, ripping up behind me at 80 MPH when I'm trying to pass a semi, because, well, you have some competitive need for attention.

I've pulled a 3 horse trailer with my 2002 F-150 and it barely gets up to 75MPH over about 30 seconds. So what? If anything, we need to slow the speed limits down a little, and cops need to start writing more tickets. At least in my state, it's like Road Warrior out there. We have many more fatal accidents due to excessive speed than were conceivable 20 years ago.
No one is clamoring for a 12 second Bronco. People expected better times given the fuel mileage and power ratings compared to the Wrangler and no, it’s not unreasonable to want one given the lack of the other.

If you are gonna take 30 seconds to get to speed or you feather your throttle to get mpgs, stay in the right lane, don’t impede traffic and use the slow vehicle turnout when you do. Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way ya know?! ;)

- 2DR Sasquatch poser (whatever that means) looking cool at the stoplight
 

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It seems like Ford is pulling timing and/or boost in the lower gears / lower RPMs? That seems to be the only thing that makes sense with the low power / poor acceleration times being posted with the 2.7. Hopefully this wasn't done as a necessity to keep the transmission or other driveline components from spilling their guts. What's wrong with having a fast 4x4 off-road vehicle? I'm a gear head, and more speed is always welcome. With 330 HP and 400 ft lbs of torque its reasonable to expect that this should get the heart pumping.
 

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Flawed comparison or not… as a soon-to-be Black Diamond, 2-door, 2.3/Manual owner, I'll take these numbers ALL DAY LONG. I have zero interest in the Wrangler or other competitors, so the only frame of reference I want or need is how it stacks up against my current ride. A 2015 Chevy Colorado extended cab 2WD Z71 with the 2.5L I4, which is good for a whopping 0-60 time of 9 seconds. So yeah… I'm good. 😂
Me too. My BL 2dr MT is being built soon, fits the bill perfectly for me.

I honestly don't hate Jeeps at all, though those front fenders always made me want to puke. For me, I just didn't want to join the club. I guess it really is "A Jeep Thing."
 
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2021 Ford Bronco V-6 Is Quicker than Jeep Wrangler, Four-Cylinder Matchup Goes the Other Way

After taking both available powertrains, including the optional seven-speed manual, to the test track, we know a lot more about how the new Bronco stacks up against the Wrangler.

Source: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37035509/2021-ford-bronco-vs-jeep-wrangler-performance/

  • We tested a 2021 Ford Bronco First Edition with the twin-turbo V-6 and Sasquatch package, and it was quicker than either V-6 or 2.0T Jeep WranglerRubicons we have tested.
  • We also tested a Black Diamond Bronco with a 2.3-liter inline-four and the optional seven-speed manual, which wasn't as quick as the 2.0T Wrangler.
  • With so many variants, the performance comparisons between the two off-road icons are complicated.

Ford's new Bronco is finally here to take on the Jeep Wrangler for off-road supremacy, and like its rival, it's available in two- and four-door configurations with four- and six-cylinder engine options—and the choice of a manual transmission. We have yet to compare the two off-roaders in a head-to-head test, but after taking two different two-door Broncos to the test track, we can tell you how they compare performance-wise.


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We've tested two Broncos so far: one was a two-door hardtop 2021 Bronco First Edition with the 330-hp twin-turbocharged 2.7-liter V-6 engine and the Sasquatch off-road package, the other a two-door Black Diamond model with the 300-hp turbocharged 2.3-liter inline-four and seven-speed manual transmission. The First Edition rode on 17-inch wheels and 35-inch Goodyear Wrangler Territory MT all-terrain tires, and the Black Diamond wore 17-inch wheels with less aggressive 32-inch General Grabber AT/X all-terrain rubber.

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In our testing, the two-door Bronco Sasquatch reached 60 mph in 6.3 seconds on its way to a 15.0-second quarter mile at 91 mph. But it could be even quicker. The Bronco allows the V-6 to build very little boost with brake torquing, which mutes its off-the-line pounce. And the Sasquatch's shorter axle ratio means that by the time the Bronco hits 60 mph it's in fourth gear. We achieved our best time when we employed second-gear starts to eliminate one of those time-sapping shifts. Starting in first was a couple tenths slower. The four-cylinder Black Diamond model with the manual gearbox needed 7.0 seconds to reach 60 mph, and we achieved the best launch with a clutch dump at around 5000 rpm.

While Jeep initially charged more for the 2.0-liter turbo engine, it now costs less than the Wrangler's naturally aspirated V-6, which makes comparisons with the Bronco's four- and six-cylinder hierarchy more straightforward. Still, it's complicated.

Comparing V-6 to V-6, the Bronco is far quicker than a Wrangler Rubicon with Jeep's 285-hp 3.6-liter V-6, which takes 7.4 seconds to get to 60 mph. But less off-road-focused Wrangler V-6s have gone as quick as 6.7 seconds. The four-cylinder race goes the other way, with a 270-hp four-door Wrangler Sahara 2.0T scooting to 60 mph in 6.4 seconds and a two-door Rubicon 2.0T in 6.5 seconds. Of course, this isn't a perfect comparison, because the Wrangler doesn't offer a manual with the four-cylinder. (Before you get upset that we're mixing two-door and four-door Wranglers, know that we haven't tested a two-door V-6 automatic and remember that the two-door Bronco is much larger than the two-door Wrangler.)

Despite weighing hundreds of pounds more than the Wrangler, the Bronco V-6 is also quicker in 5-to-60 mph acceleration as well as our top-gear 30-to-50 mph and 50-to-70 mph passing tests (the manual-transmission Bronco was much slower in the top-gear tests, which favor automatic transmissions and their automatic downshifts). The Bronco was also quickest through the quarter mile at 15.0 seconds at 91 mph, though the Wrangler Sahara 2.0T was only 0.1 second behind it at 90 mph.


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Even though the V-6 Bronco narrowly beats either Wrangler variant, the Jeep punches back in a few ways. First, we've coaxed a two-door V-6 manual Wrangler to 60 mph in a Bronco-beating 6.0 seconds. Plus, there are other options, such as the plug-in-hybrid 4xe, which, at 5.5 seconds to 60 mph, beats either of our tested Broncos. Then there's the Wrangler's new V-8, an option that Ford claims that the Bronco will never be offered with. The 470-hp Rubicon 392 promises to drop that 60-mph time down to the mid-4s.


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The Bronco Sasquatch corners and brakes slightly better than the Wrangler Rubicon, too. It required 197 feet to stop from 70 mph compared to the two-door Rubicon's 204 feet and the four-door's 212 feet. The Black Diamond Bronco needed 217 feet to come to a stop from 70 mph. We expected the Black Diamond and its less aggressive all-terrain tires to stop shorter than the extreme off-road Sasquatch, but the two Broncos were tested on different days at different tracks with different road surfaces, which could certainly explain some of the discrepancy. The Sasquatch and both Wranglers mentioned here were tested on the same stretch of track.

We achieved 0.71 g of lateral grip in the Bronco Sasquatch, 0.01 g better than the two-door Wrangler Rubicon and 0.03 g more than the four-door model. The two-door four-cylinder Bronco didn't better the Sasquatch, despite having less aggressive tires, but the Jeep Wrangler Sahara with similarly sized tires cornered at 0.74 g in our test.

Ford is strong out of the gate with the new Bronco, with the V-6 beating comparable Wrangler V-6 or 2.0T, and it's a close matchup in braking and handling at the test track. Look for a full comparison test examining the new off-road rivalry between the Ford Bronco and Jeep Wrangler soon.
Hot damn, wre are now taking our Broncos to the drag strip, better watch out for the 392 Hemi Wranglers though! :ROFLMAO:
 
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