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Although I would prefer the higher torque rating of the 80, I am good with the 60. The gearing in 1st and 2nd explains a bit of the low axle ratios relative to the Ranger and F150. The brick like aerodynamic design probably equates as well on the upper end using the same overdrive gearing (requiring “lower” gearing at high speeds relative to other more “svelte” vehicles).
 

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Because someone at Ford said 10R80 by mistake instead of 10R60....the internet did it's thing from there.
Because somebody on the internets said it's going to explode as soon as it leaves the lot
 

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Straight from OEM workshop manual.

The 10R60 automatic transmission is a 10-speed electronically controlled transmission with a main control valve body unit with 8 solenoids and a torque converter. Gear selection is achieved by the control of transmission fluid to operate various internal clutches. The PCM operates the electrical components and provides control of gear selection, shift pressure and torque converter slip.

This transmission includes:

  • Torque converter with an integral converter clutch
  • Electronic shift and pressure controls
  • Four planetary gearsets
  • Two multi-disc holding clutches
  • Four multi-plate drive clutches
  • One one way holding clutch
  • Main control valve body unit
The main control consists of a valve body assembly with solenoids inside the transmission and is controlled by a PCM. The PCM operates the electrical components to provide refined engagement feel, shift feel, and shift scheduling.

Engine power reaches the transmission by a torque converter with an integral clutch. The 10 forward gears and one reverse gear are obtained from 4 planetary gearsets.


The 10R80 automatic transmission is a 10-speed electronically controlled transmission with a main control valve body unit with 8 solenoids and a torque converter. Gear selection is achieved by the control of transmission fluid to operate various internal clutches. The PCM for gas engine applications or the TCM for diesel engine applications operates the electrical components and provides control of gear selection, shift pressure and torque converter slip.

This transmission includes:

  • Torque converter with an integral converter clutch
  • Electronic shift and pressure controls
  • Four planetary gearsets
  • Two multi-disc holding clutches
  • Four multi-plate drive clutches
  • One one way holding clutch
  • Main control valve body unit
The main control consists of a valve body assembly with solenoids inside the transmission and is controlled by a PCM or a TCM. The PCM or TCM operates the electrical components to provide refined engagement feel, shift feel, and shift scheduling.

Engine power reaches the transmission by a torque converter with an integral clutch. The 10 forward gears and one reverse gear are obtained from 4 planetary gearsets.

My thought on why they haven't issued a correction is it's really a non-issue. You are not losing anything by it not having a 10R80. In fact, we've had more issues with the 80's than any other transmission in the past 12 months. Granted, most is due to software issues, the only difference in description is the 80 can be used behind the light duty diesels and uses a TCM.


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One of the main differences is the torque rating of the unit itself. 10R60 is lower than the 80 for it’s rated torque capacity, but the 10r80 isn’t complaining usually until people exceed 750 or so at the wheels, then the 7th gear direct drive clutches tends to go bye bye. Even with the lower rating I’m hoping the 60 also has a little bit over engineering in it as well.
 

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The 10R60 can’t handle the 2.7L. I heard it on this site, you’re all doomed.
Yea, and the brakes are bad too! I heard that on this site as well. Everyone should cancel their orders. I will keep mine for testing and let you know. We show Ford to put out and inferior product.
 

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Yea, and the brakes are bad too! I heard that on this site as well. Everyone should cancel their orders. I will keep mine for testing and let you know. We show Ford to put out and inferior product.
Selfless!
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I guess this means I won’t be doing low 11’s with the Bronco.
 

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One of the main differences is the torque rating of the unit itself. 10R60 is lower than the 80 for it’s rated torque capacity, but the 10r80 isn’t complaining usually until people exceed 750 or so at the wheels, then the 7th gear direct drive clutches tends to go bye bye. Even with the lower rating I’m hoping the 60 also has a little bit over engineering in it as well.
10R60 has a max torque spec of 600Nm which is 443 ft/lbs
2.7 has a max output of 415 ft/lbs on premium fuel
Ford engineers apparently said that is conservative enough. What happens when you tune beyond 443 ( or 415 ) is an interesting question. 99% of these vehicles will never be tuned. I think we're going to be fine -- of course I may be wrong.
 

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10R60 has a max torque spec of 600Nm which is 443 ft/lbs
2.7 has a max output of 415 ft/lbs on premium fuel
Ford engineers apparently said that is conservative enough. What happens when you tune beyond 443 ( or 415 ) is an interesting question. 99% of these vehicles will never be tuned. I think we're going to be fine -- of course I may be wrong.
Where does the 600Nm spec come from? I've tried searching for some official documentation on that but haven't found anything.
 

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Where does the 600Nm spec come from? I've tried searching for some official documentation on that but haven't found anything.
Exactly. No one has produced documentation that the production 10R60 in the Bronco is capped at 600nm. Nor has there been substantive discussion about the difference between instantaneous and sustained ratings.

As I stated earlier, these rumors are being propagated by the uneducated and uninformed. One person said it somewhere with no backing evidence, and then a fleet of blind believers have echoed it in every thread on the matter.
 

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10R60 has a max torque spec of 600Nm which is 443 ft/lbs
2.7 has a max output of 415 ft/lbs on premium fuel
Ford engineers apparently said that is conservative enough. What happens when you tune beyond 443 ( or 415 ) is an interesting question. 99% of these vehicles will never be tuned. I think we're going to be fine -- of course I may be wrong.
You can’t be wrong. You put it on the internet 🤣🤣
 

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10R60 has a max torque spec of 600Nm which is 443 ft/lbs
2.7 has a max output of 415 ft/lbs on premium fuel
Ford engineers apparently said that is conservative enough. What happens when you tune beyond 443 ( or 415 ) is an interesting question. 99% of these vehicles will never be tuned. I think we're going to be fine -- of course I may be wrong.
Do we know what a 91 octane tune does to the torque number on the 2.7. I'm guessing it will exceed the 415 ft/lbs....

Now I'm going to have to carry 2 cans of fuel and a new backup tranny everywhere I go..lol.
 
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Where does the 600Nm spec come from? I've tried searching for some official documentation on that but haven't found anything.
I'm taking this wiki( and other sites as being accurate ) and assuming the transmission follows the same naming pattern as the Ford 10R80 (800Nm ) and the 10R140 ( 1400 Nm ) -- but I could be wrong or off. --- Now I'm searchng for the official docs too...
 

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