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Never gonna be a diesel Bronco; you heard it here first folks!
Unless its a stick. Cant imagine why you would put a diesel behind a 10 spd. Itd never stop shifting with a narrow rpm range.
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The 10R60 is behind the 400hp 3.0tt Explorer ST

It'll be fine in the Bronco
Nope it'll get hot eventually. Its what autos do. If you're lucky it wont happen till 2030 or so.
 

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Yea, and the brakes are bad too! I heard that on this site as well. Everyone should cancel their orders. I will keep mine for testing and let you know. We show Ford to put out and inferior product.
I dont need to be on this site to know that Ford brakes (at least on their F150) suck. Shouldnt need to change out your oem rotors 2x in 35k miles.
 

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Because several forum members who are neither mechanics, nor mechanical engineers, nor physicists, nor aware of actual specifications / thresholds / limitations have proclaimed that the 60 is objectively wimpier than the 80 because 8>6, and that the 60 is guaranteed to explode within 10k miles of ownership.

You forgot .........................


But they did stay at a Holiday Inn last night. ;)
 

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We are just sewing division within the ranks of auto drivers in hope of sparking the New World Order of manual transmissions.

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Unless I hear Phil, our resident Ford guy, say anything bad about the 10R60 I'm not worried.

Oop, Phil ain't here. He's on the Ranger forum. I shouldn't reply half awake. But, IMHO I'm thinking the Ford engineers (like Phil) know the 60 will work in the Bronco. My knowledge of a transmission end if a tranny will move the vehicle. I think back to the the old GM 2 speed powerglide. If the "powerslide" will work in an Impala 6 cylinder, and handle a quarter mile in a super high HP drag car, then I'm guessing the 10R60 can survive in a Bronco.
 
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What makes you say that? The 10R60 and 10R80 are physically the same size. While I know there won’t be a diesel Explorer, the Police variant features a 10R80. The Hybrid models do as well but the 10R80 is quite different and much longer overall.
I don’t think there will be either, with the hybrid and warthog they’ll already have 4 powertrain choices. The hybrid will be the mileage leader and I don’t think any of the Bronco engines are hurting for more torque.

Plus with diesel you have to deal with the exhaust particulate filter, SCR catalyst, and DEF systems. Don’t underestimate how big of a pain in the ass these can be if your truck isn’t spending most of its time on the highway. And they have to be protected with extra skid plates. No thanks.
 

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Straight from OEM workshop manual.

The 10R60 automatic transmission is a 10-speed electronically controlled transmission with a main control valve body unit with 8 solenoids and a torque converter. Gear selection is achieved by the control of transmission fluid to operate various internal clutches. The PCM operates the electrical components and provides control of gear selection, shift pressure and torque converter slip.

This transmission includes:

  • Torque converter with an integral converter clutch
  • Electronic shift and pressure controls
  • Four planetary gearsets
  • Two multi-disc holding clutches
  • Four multi-plate drive clutches
  • One one way holding clutch
  • Main control valve body unit
The main control consists of a valve body assembly with solenoids inside the transmission and is controlled by a PCM. The PCM operates the electrical components to provide refined engagement feel, shift feel, and shift scheduling.

Engine power reaches the transmission by a torque converter with an integral clutch. The 10 forward gears and one reverse gear are obtained from 4 planetary gearsets.


The 10R80 automatic transmission is a 10-speed electronically controlled transmission with a main control valve body unit with 8 solenoids and a torque converter. Gear selection is achieved by the control of transmission fluid to operate various internal clutches. The PCM for gas engine applications or the TCM for diesel engine applications operates the electrical components and provides control of gear selection, shift pressure and torque converter slip.

This transmission includes:

  • Torque converter with an integral converter clutch
  • Electronic shift and pressure controls
  • Four planetary gearsets
  • Two multi-disc holding clutches
  • Four multi-plate drive clutches
  • One one way holding clutch
  • Main control valve body unit
The main control consists of a valve body assembly with solenoids inside the transmission and is controlled by a PCM or a TCM. The PCM or TCM operates the electrical components to provide refined engagement feel, shift feel, and shift scheduling.

Engine power reaches the transmission by a torque converter with an integral clutch. The 10 forward gears and one reverse gear are obtained from 4 planetary gearsets.

My thought on why they haven't issued a correction is it's really a non-issue. You are not losing anything by it not having a 10R80. In fact, we've had more issues with the 80's than any other transmission in the past 12 months. Granted, most is due to software issues, the only difference in description is the 80 can be used behind the light duty diesels and uses a TCM.


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Can someone tell me how the tenth gear makes any difference? It is only 5 hundredths difference from ninth.
 
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Can someone tell me how the tenth gear makes any difference? It is only 5 hundredths difference from ninth.
Fuel economy, every little bit helps.
 

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havent read it all but the R60 has slightly higher (better) 1st and 2nd gear ratio for the Bronco :)
 

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I don’t think there will be either, with the hybrid and warthog they’ll already have 4 powertrain choices. The hybrid will be the mileage leader and I don’t think any of the Bronco engines are hurting for more torque.

Plus with diesel you have to deal with the exhaust particulate filter, SCR catalyst, and DEF systems. Don’t underestimate how big of a pain in the ass these can be if your truck isn’t spending most of its time on the highway. And they have to be protected with extra skid plates. No thanks.
I’m surprised how confident everyone is in a Hybrid powertrain being a thing in the full size. The Bronco Sport will be getting a hybrid but that’s still several years out.
 

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Can someone tell me how the tenth gear makes any difference? It is only 5 hundredths difference from ninth.
1990 RPMs in 10th at 70 MPH with Sasquatch v. 2148 RPMS in 9th. That's a significant difference...and a 180rpm difference at 80.
 
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What makes you say that? The 10R60 and 10R80 are physically the same size. While I know there won’t be a diesel Explorer, the Police variant features a 10R80. The Hybrid models do as well but the 10R80 is quite different and much longer overall.
If you want tough always go with the Police / Taxi parts.
 

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Because several forum members who are neither mechanics, nor mechanical engineers, nor physicists, nor aware of actual specifications / thresholds / limitations have proclaimed that the 60 is objectively wimpier than the 80 because 8>6, and that the 60 is guaranteed to explode within 10k miles of ownership.
I think in golf numbers all the time. 60 is better then 80, so I'm good
 
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