2.7L blown engine failure list . . 68 so far [Updated: December 13, 2022]

[ffdemoss]

I've not been yet but I highly doubt it would be the first rig towed down from that pass. I'd imagine it was less than 3 days though too

Maybe...

A day to get it picked up.

A day to haul out.

A day to the Ford dealer

Anyways, breaking down sucks

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[VelocityBrew]

Good luck getting it back within 3-6 months.

Yeah Ford doesn't make many 2.7's

Dealerships don't offer rentals either

 

[VelocityBrew]

Maybe...

A day to get it picked up.

A day to haul out.

A day to the Ford dealer

Anyways, breaking down sucks

Isn't rule one of wheeling to not go alone? Why is it going to take a day to get out?

 

[Snowdogyyz]

Yeah Ford doesn't make many 2.7's

Dealerships don't offer rentals either

Ask the ones who have waited two weeks and don’t even have approval from ford for an engine replacement. Also you apparently haven’t heard of supply constraints? There’s no 2.7 on every corner right now. But it’s fine- live in bliss! No skin off my back if yours blows.

 

[DrBriGuy]

Sorry not attacking you, but you're just the 100th person that has made a similar comment.

Its enough for a message/safety bulletin from Ford,(the fact they haven't is ridiculous) and possibly a recall. via https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/thre...ion-numbers-8-287-sold-10-504-produced.29749/ We can estimate that Ford has produced ~55,000 Broncos in MY21(using November sales & adding it up to year sales), and according to https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/ford-bronco-buyers-show-stick-is-still-popular/ ~37% were produced with the 2.3L. So we estimate that ~34,650 are 2.7L Broncos. Currently Bronco6G forum has 25 REPORTED cases of blown motors or ~.07% of all Broncos, might not seem like a lot, but considering members have already mention (in this thread ) that Facebook Bronco/Ford groups have multiple reports from people with also blown 2.7L Broncos. I'd say it's safe to add another 10 Broncos and make this an issue upon .1% of all produced.

Which is an issue, especially since we are dealing with entire engines being blown up, in a new vehicle with less than 5,000 miles. Tell me the last time you heard something like this before?

Another concerning factor is that many of these reports are coming from people travelling on highways going highway speeds.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/recallprocess.cfm
NHTSA states

• I'd put an engine as a critical vehicle component, and I believe it is breaking.

TBH/tl;dr: There's an issue @Ford Motor Company - Stop caring about stock price & bad PR and do something, its been 6 MONTHS & COMPLETE SILENCE (Stock Price +58%)

I actually think both posts here have merit if the issue is isolated to a valve failure in a subset of engines. If that case, then the failure rate in the general population as of today is exceedingly small, perhaps non-existent. Thus it's even more of a snooze-fest for everyone not involved.

And if that's the case then even more reason Ford should be more proactive concerning the subset of vehicles with potentially bad engines.

Looking at the overall number of vehicles and production rate is pretty meaningless if the engines are built off the assembly line and/or have a build rate much different than the vehicles themselves. I would guess this is the case but can't claim to know anything about work flow in an auto plant. I reckon the most important number is the number of engines known to be affected by a bad batch of parts. It's not fair, and it's distracting, to dilute the failure rate by including all of the non-affected engines/vehicles. I agree with others that people in that group deserve to know and get some assurances for recourse - there's certainly enough data for at least that action.

Also, we're only talking about failures happening early in the vehicle life. We know nothing yet about the tendency for this failure to happen over the lifetime of the vehicle. Sure, it looks like they are clustered at low mileage, but that is probably because no one has that many miles yet...considering that 1) many more failures will probably be reported and 2) they are isolated to X number of motors, my prediction is the failure rate is going to be quite high in that group.

Just to re-iterate, all my comments based on the premise that the issue is isolated to a valve failure in a subset of engines.

 

[ffdemoss]

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Isn't rule one of wheeling to not go alone? Why is it going to take a day to get out?

Whoa....

You're original post involved Ford warranty, which I responded to.

My buddies don't get paid by Ford...usually.

 

[Bdisco]

Sorry not attacking you, but you're just the 100th person that has made a similar comment.

Its enough for a message/safety bulletin from Ford,(the fact they haven't is ridiculous) and possibly a recall. via https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/thre...ion-numbers-8-287-sold-10-504-produced.29749/ We can estimate that Ford has produced ~55,000 Broncos in MY21(using November sales & adding it up to year sales), and according to https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/ford-bronco-buyers-show-stick-is-still-popular/ ~37% were produced with the 2.3L. So we estimate that ~34,650 are 2.7L Broncos. Currently Bronco6G forum has 25 REPORTED cases of blown motors or ~.07% of all Broncos, might not seem like a lot, but considering members have already mention (in this thread ) that Facebook Bronco/Ford groups have multiple reports from people with also blown 2.7L Broncos. I'd say it's safe to add another 10 Broncos and make this an issue upon .1% of all produced.

Which is an issue, especially since we are dealing with entire engines being blown up, in a new vehicle with less than 5,000 miles. Tell me the last time you heard something like this before?

Another concerning factor is that many of these reports are coming from people travelling on highways going highway speeds.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/recallprocess.cfm
NHTSA states

• I'd put an engine as a critical vehicle component, and I believe it is breaking.

TBH/tl;dr: There's an issue @Ford Motor Company - Stop caring about stock price & bad PR and do something, its been 6 MONTHS & COMPLETE SILENCE (Stock Price +58%)

This >

My 2000 F250 7.3 had a bad cam positioning sensor. This would cause the truck to just shut down without warning. Happened to me several times once while trying to pass a semi on the highway, wrestle over to the breakdown lane, no power steering/brakes, motor off, wait a 10 minutes, restart, no CEL. Backroads, put on hazards, wait a while, restart, and we’re off.
Ford knew about this issue and had TSBs but no recall. $80 part but PITA to install. I finally had it fixed when it happened to my wife.. TWICE! Unhappy wife, unhappy life. So I paid up the $500 bucks for the repair. But also filed a complaint with https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls as this was a potential safety issue.
I had forgotten about the complaint until 5 years after I filed I got a recall notice in the mail from Ford stating to bring in for repair or submit your receipt for reimbursement.
Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

 

[VelocityBrew]

Whoa....

You're original post involved Ford warranty, which I responded to.

My buddies don't get paid by Ford...usually.

You said I'd be up there for a day waiting for a ride

My panties aren't the ones in a bunch I ain't worried about 25 out of 34k motors.

Y'all can be as pessimistic as you'd like

 

[VelocityBrew]

Ask the ones who have waited two weeks and don’t even have approval from ford for an engine replacement. Also you apparently haven’t heard of supply constraints? There’s no 2.7 on every corner right now. But it’s fine- live in bliss! No skin off my back if yours blows.

I'll let the tinfoil hat wearers worry about blown motors 25/34000

 

[BroncoKing610]

I actually think both posts here have merit if the issue is isolated to a valve failure in a subset of engines. If that case, then the failure rate in the general population as of today is exceedingly small, perhaps non-existent. Thus it's even more of a snooze-fest for everyone not involved.

And if that's the case then even more reason Ford should be more proactive concerning the subset of vehicles with potentially bad engines.

Looking at the overall number of vehicles and production rate is pretty meaningless if the engines are built off the assembly line and/or have a build rate much different than the vehicles themselves. I would guess this is the case but can't claim to know anything about work flow in an auto plant. I reckon the most important number is the number of engines known to be affected by a bad batch of parts. It's not fair, and it's distracting, to dilute the failure rate by including all of the non-affected engines/vehicles. I agree with others that people in that group deserve to know and get some assurances for recourse - there's certainly enough data for at least that action.

Also, we're only talking about failures happening early in the vehicle life. We know nothing yet about the tendency for this failure to happen over the lifetime of the vehicle. Sure, it looks like they are clustered at low mileage, but that is probably because no one has that many miles yet...considering that 1) many more failures will probably be reported and 2) they are isolated to X number of motors, my prediction is the failure rate is going to be quite high in that group.

Just to re-iterate, all my comments based on the premise that the issue is isolated to a valve failure in a subset of engines.

My fear is that, if this was a small subset of engines built during a period (mid summer) and they know it’s something with the valves & the issue has been fixed/found that they would’ve said something by now. ANYTHING

But the fact that they been completely silent and haven’t said a thing to about the issue makes me believe they got no clue what’s going on & could very well be still producing these vehicles with bad engines, hoping that “Well it’s just a small number”

There’s is also a poll on this forum asking 2.7L owners how many miles they have (I believe) 40% said less than 1000. That’s a lot of POSSIBLE defected engines.

 

[ffdemoss]

You said I'd be up there for a day waiting for a ride

My panties aren't the ones in a bunch I ain't worried about 25 out of 34k motors.

Y'all can be as pessimistic as you'd like

I'm not going to argue...your original post was about warranty and that's what I addressed.

 

[dcg2]

21196 - July 15th @ 6200 miles

Driving it like I stole it

 

[VelocityBrew]

I'm not going to argue...your original post was about warranty and that's what I addressed.

So Ford does provide a warranty for their engines? Asking for a friend.

 

[ILoveTacos]

I'll let the tinfoil hat wearers worry about blown motors 25/34000

How is it 25 out of 34,000? It's 25 out of however many forum members have Broncos with the 2.7 engine. That's just a small sampling of a likely much larger problem. I may not be a math professor but your numbers aren't adding up.

 

[ffdemoss]

So Ford does provide a warranty for their engines? Asking for a friend.

Not on Imogene Pass...

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