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Just saw this, and I didn't see it posted previously in the thread. I'm not sure when it was posted to the NHTSA site, but the letter is dated Aug 8. Basically, it's the information request to Ford from the NHTSA - 13 specific sets of info in various formats. Due date for the info is Sept 28, but I'm assuming given Ford's inability to do anything on time that they will ask for an extension.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INIM-PE22007-88374P.pdf
Whoa 😳 lotsa info requested , but I guess Ford should have all this easily at hand (if they're organized)...


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Been a while since any have been added to the list, think we're seeing the end of them? I've not been seeing any mentioned on FB, IG or other platforms either.
 

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Some good news: FORD reimbursed my $713 towing bill!

So, my engine was replaced, my recalled top was replaced while they were at it, and now they've reimbursed me for towing.

In the end, it sucked to get stranded like that hours from home in freezing temps with my dogs, and to lose my 8 day old Bronco for 32 days, but I'm in a much better place with FORD now that they reimbursed the exorbitant out of pocket towing expense.
 

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Some good news: FORD reimbursed my $713 towing bill!

So, my engine was replaced, my recalled top was replaced while they were at it, and now they've reimbursed me for towing.

In the end, it sucked to get stranded like that hours from home in freezing temps with my dogs, and to lose my 8 day old Bronco for 32 days, but I'm in a much better place with FORD now that they reimbursed the exorbitant out of pocket towing expense.
Absolutely thrilled to hear this!
 

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I just saw another one on IG. I gave her a link to come share some information.
 

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I’m hopeful that the 2023’s will be free from this.
 

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So no blown engines since Aug 5th?

Maybe a sign of hope?
Hopefully so, though maybe some B6G folks in the hot zone removed themselves from the sample pool? Seeing @sevenfab lose a 21174 then a couple more fuel pump failures pushed me to finally summon the Carvana fairy. I'll play the lottery and see if Ford will build my Grange-tober reservation next year before price protection runs out.😬
 

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Hopefully so, though maybe some B6G folks in the hot zone removed themselves from the sample pool? Seeing @sevenfab lose a 21174 then a couple more fuel pump failures pushed me to finally summon the Carvana fairy. I'll play the lottery and see if Ford will build my Grange-tober reservation next year before price protection runs out.😬
Got 13k miles on replacement motor. So far so good 😊
 

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some reasons for this thread

1) @mmcq - thread** - July 22, 1146 mi
2) Jose Hernandez - posted - ~Dec 2
3) @jeremy.wilson237 - 1st post, further - Dec 8, 2012 mi
4) @ToddGinGA - 1st post, update - Dec 5, 1358 mi
5) @Bubbabow - 1st post, update - Nov 21, 4000 mi
6) @Nikole - 1st post - ~Nov 1, 2900 mi
7) @Hailey Jo - 1st post - Dec 4, 3581 mi
8) @Lance103222 - 1st post - Dec 23, 2024 mi, new 2.7L**
9) Seb Gray - posted, further - Jan 23, 3800 mi
10) @estone28 - thread** - Oct 21, 1466 mi
11) Steve Seale - posted - Oct 22, 003 mi
12) @Broncoshrimp - thread** - Sept 10, 2380 mi, new 2.7L
13) [email protected] - 1st post, posted, update - Oct 14, 1524 mi
14) @yogi_stvl - 1st post, further, updates - Sept 21, 1578 mi
15) Bill Thorpe @FB - posted - Jan 6, ~ 2700 mi
16) @roofone - posted - Sept ?
17) @69 Mach I - thread** - Nov 14, 2744 mi, new 2.7L**
18) @Broncitis - posted, update - Nov 5, 2199 mi
19) @Broncitis - replacement failed - Dec 2, 2200 mi
20) @International_George - thread** - Dec 24, 1795 mi, new 2.7L**
21) @Slosh1 - update, further - Dec 31, 3163 mi
22) @JollyFolly - 1st post, update, plug - Jan 8, 4552 mi, new 2.7L
23) @SS Hawk - 1st post - Jan 8, 1238 mi
24) @69-300 - 1st post, update - Jan 7, 1700 mi, new 2.7L
25) @Icarus - 1st post, update - Jan 12, 3153 mi, new 2.7L
26) @TravisC91 - 1st post, update - Jan 11, 1900 mi
27) @ChadJohnson - 1st post, update - Dec 10, 2900 mi
28) @Lv429 - 1st post - Jan 19, 2058 mi
29) - Confidential - Nov 9, 2906 mi
30) @ScottTexas - 1st post, posted - Jan 19, 4171 mi
31) @matthiggins - 1st post, update - Jan 15, 4547 mi
32) @yogi_stvl - replacement failed - Oct, 1580 mi
33) @blanchardsbronco - 1st post - Jan 28, 4412 mi, new 2.7L
34) @CanuckJeff - 1st post, update - Feb 7, 2277 mi
35) @KnoxGnater - update - Feb 6, 6618 mi, new 2.7L
36) @SLAY - 1st post - Feb 13, 984 mi
37) @Jaycefox - 1st post - Dec 11, 1166 mi, buyback
38) @KrazeeEyezKilla - 1st post, update - Feb 14, 2548 mi, new 2.7L
39) @CA_Badlands - 1st post - Feb 22, 3184 mi
40) @Jon_MothaFkn_Adams - 1st post - Feb 24, 6986 mi, new 2.7L
41) @Kess - 1st post - Feb 28, 1680 mi
42) Dorian Reyna - posted - March 7
43) @Math4Fun77 - DM, posted - March 7, 4478 mi, new 2.7L
44) @Mataxis - 1st post - March 13, 3818 mi, new 2.7L
45) Nick Brown @FB - posted - April 11, ~ 7k mi
46) T.J. Walsh @FB - posted - April 21, 3587 mi
47) @johngray95762 - 1st post - May 5, 5810 mi
48) @BanzaiBob - 1st post - May 8, 4003 mi, new 2.7L
49) @Desert Rider - 1st post - May 13, 3015 mi
50) @Leifvan - 1st post - May 15, 2167 mi, new 2.7L
51) @Pflo - 1st post - June 8, 3645 mi
52) NHTSA ID 11450737 - Dec 16
53) NHTSA ID 11467964 - March 4
54) NHTSA ID 11468268 - June 8, 923 mi
55) @KrazeeEyezKilla - replacement failed - June 12, 5203 mi (2655 engine), new 2.7L
56) @BRBUSTER72 - 1st post - July 1, 3902 mi
57) Scott Brooks @FB - posted - June 30
58) NHTSA ID 11473926 - April 11, 1255 mi
59) @sevenfab - 1st post, 1st post - Nov 2, 5272 mi
60) @bronco.sasquatch - 1st post - July 15, 2812 mi
61) NHTSA ID 11474991 - May 17, 6800 mi
62) NHTSA ID 11476304 - April 15
63) NHTSA ID 11481804 - August 9, 2022 - published August 29

** threads covering repairs - ( lines 17, 12, 10, 20, & 1 )
- also 2.7 Blown Engine Owner's Experiences

So far the engine build-dates run 21131 - 22019 - see how to read Engine Ser#
- 90% are in ' Hot Zone ', 21159 - 21224
- see table & graphs below the photos

Design Changes - in Fall '21
- engine Julian tracking data show the timeframes of these changes

January '22 - Lima Plant Newsletter - § Quality, page-1
-- 'Nano valve supplier issue was resolved with more robust design and material changes at the supplier.'

February '22 - MotorTrend, article by Justin Banner
". . if you experienced failure of your 2.7L Bronco V6 . . be sure to report it with NHTSA through their Report a Problem link . ."

29 April '22 - The Drive, article by Rob Stumpf
". . The Drive reached out to Ford for comment. A spokesperson from the automaker explained, 'We are aware of a select number of engines with this concern and we are investigating' . . "

27 May '22 - NHTSA Opens Investigation
". . investigation into alleged defect of 'valves' in '21 Broncos equipped w 2.7L Eco-boost engine . . . loss of motive power at highway speeds w no-restart due to catastrophic engine failures . ." - ( official pdf doc , updated 22 July )

4 June '22 - Detroit Free Press, article by Phoebe Wall Howard
- 2021 Ford Bronco catastrophic engine failure complaints lead to NHTSA investigation
" . . now the focus of a federal safety investigation . . "


6 June '22 - Ford Authority, article by Brett Foote - update, 26 July
- Bronco 2.7L V6 EcoBoost Engine Failures Explained: Exclusive
" . . utilize cheaper, sub-optimal valves acquired from a new supplier . . "

6 June '22 - @Broncoshrimp one of our own B6g blown engine survivors interviewed with reporter Rod Meloni, WDIV Channel 4 Detroit
- ‘I made a turn, and it just died without warning’: Feds investigate Ford Bronco engine failures

6 June '22 - MotorTrend, updated article by Justin Banner
"As of May '22, NHTSA is now involved . . . We contacted Ford for a response to this NHTSA investigation and are awaiting their response."

8 June '22 - The Autopian, article by Thomas Hundal
- Numerous Reports Of Dramatic 2021 Ford Bronco V6 Engine Failures
"Dozens of owners are reporting spontaneous engine failure, often before 5,000 miles"
- details w B6g blown engine survivor @Mataxis, & photo credit @jeremy.wilson237

12 July '22 - ' Should You Worry About the Bronco 2.7-Liter V-6 Investigation ? '
- Bronco Nation, article
" Another Bronco blog has tabulated 55 claimed failures, mostly engines built between May and August 2021. "

26 July '22 - Road & Track. article by Chris Perkins
- ' NHTSA Investigating Catastrophic Engine Failures in 2021 Broncos '
" Farley said 'We continue to be hampered by recalls and customer satisfaction actions. This has to change.' "

26 July '22 - The Wall Street Journal. updated article by Ryan Felton
- ' Bronco Engine-Failure Reports Spur Federal Safety Investigation '
" Ford has the most recalls of any U.S. auto maker with 45 this year "

other failed engine reports:
- NHTSA Reports (Nat'l Hwy Traffic Safety Admin)
- 2 at WA dealer __ 1 at IL dealer __ 7 at TX dealer __ 1 at SC dealer

If Your Engine Fails - dealer service of course - also :
- good to call Ford Customer Care - expedite repair, communication, cover rental
- engine ser# would be helpful in B6g build-date tracking
-- or last-8 digits of VIN, then B6g can lookup engine ser#
- good to file report w NHTSA - request Ford replacement campaign
- perspective w @Bmadda work experience Ford dealer Service Depts

Confidential Reports - anonymous reporting option
- use B6g Conversation
- send message to 'Lucchese'
- engine ser# - (see label photos)
-- or last-8 digits of VIN
- pls include mileage & fail-date if possible

example Engine Ser# Labels -

engine ser# & build date 21160 c.jpg
engine ser# & build date 21308 c.jpg


- B6g trying to see if the failures are confined to a range of engine build-dates
- maybe they were mostly built in same couple months ? - see also 2.7 Failed Engine Tracking Thread

- in 46 of the events we have the engine build-date info

Engine Build-DateFail DateMiles'Seq#'
21131 - (11 May)​
13 Mar '22​
3818​
120036​
21133 - (13 May)​
09 Nov '21​
2906​
c*​
21159 - (08 June)​
08 Jan '22​
4552​
120075​
21160 - (09 June)​
10 Sept '21​
2380​
120068​
21160 - (09 June)​
05 Nov '21​
2199​
120201​
21161 - (10 June)​
22 July '21​
1146​
120082​
21161 - (10 June)​
14 Nov '21​
2744​
120300​
21165 - (14 June)​
08 Jan '22​
1238​
120059​
21166 - (15 June)​
~ 01 Nov '21​
2900​
120417​
21166 - (15 June)​
12 Jan '22​
3153​
120435​
21167 - (16 June)​
29 Jan '22​
4412​
130408​
21168 - (17 June)​
21 Sept '21​
1578​
120383​
21169 - (18 June)​
10 Dec '21​
2900​
120315​
21169 - (18 June)​
01 July '22​
3902​
120486​
21172 - (21 June)​
28 Feb '22​
1680​
120159​
21174 - (23 June)​
02 Nov '21​
5272​
131021​
21175 - (24 June)​
24 Dec '21​
1795​
130942​
21179 - (28 June)​
11 Jan '22​
1900​
120662​
21179 - (28 June)​
13 Feb '22​
984​
120680​
21181 - (30 June)​
15 Jan '22​
4547​
120413​
21181 - (30 June)​
19 Jan '22​
4171​
120672​
21182 - (01 July)​
07 Feb '22​
2277​
120368​
21193 - (12 July)​
05 May '22​
5810​
120453​
21193 - (12 July)​
21 April '22​
3587​
120562​
21195 - (14 July)​
15 July '22​
2812​
130897​
21207 - (26 July)​
24 Feb '22​
6986​
130993​
21207 - (26 July)​
23 Dec '21​
2024​
131088​
21209 - (28 July)​
04 Dec '21​
3581​
130806​
21209 - (28 July)​
21 Oct '21​
1466​
131010​
21209 - (28 July)​
06 Feb '22​
6618​
131161​
21209 - (28 July)​
07 Mar '22​
4478​
131375​
21209 - (28 July)​
21 Nov '21​
4000​
131391​
21211 - (30 July)​
15 May '22​
2167​
131190​
21214 - (02 Aug)​
22 Feb '22​
3184​
131270​
21214 - (02 Aug)​
08 Dec '21​
2012​
131422​
21214 - (02 Aug)​
13 May '22​
3015​
131425​
21214 - (02 Aug)​
14 Feb '22​
2548​
131465​
21216 - (04 Aug)​
14 Oct '21​
1524​
?​
21224 - (12 Aug)​
05 Dec '21​
1358​
120196​
21224 - (12 Aug)​
07 Jan '22​
1700​
120369​
21224 - (12 Aug)​
11 Dec '21​
1166​
120464​
21224 - (12 Aug)​
31 Dec '21​
3163​
120480​
21224 - (12 Aug)​
08 June '22​
3645​
120543​
21281 - (08 Oct)​
18 Jan '22​
2058​
130834​
21342 - (08 Dec)​
08 May '22​
4003​
120333​
22019 - (19 Jan)​
12 June '22​
2655​
120113​

hist - Blown 2.7L Stats - 2022.July.18.jpg


bivariate - mileage vs ebd - 2022.July.18.jpg



Over 90% of dropped valve events range Julian 159 - 224
Blown 2.7 ebds Hot Zone - 2022.July.18.png

Notes:
- in October a Ford Lima employee (@Jay3630, deleted soon after) made five posts re 'bad batch of brittle valves' - 'April batch' - see posts #1, #2, #3, #4, #5
- if the failures are caused by 'bad valves', maybe that 'April batch' has been working its way thru the system - then the problems could subside ?
- late October a Ford Service Technician wrote a post re nationwide frequency of failures - he said 'about thirty in the last month . . recorded in the Ford Technicians Forum page'

January '22 - Lima Plant Newsletter - § Quality, page-1
-- 'Nano valve supplier issue was resolved with more robust design and material changes at the supplier.'
I have a 2021 Sasquatch Base model and have never had any trouble out of my bronco til 8/28 I was heading home and all the sudden I had 4 codes flashing on the display, truck lost power I couldn’t go over 5 miles per hour. Luckily, I was able to pull into a gas station parking lot about 3 miles from my house. The truck shut off, interior lights and headlights worked just fine. I tried to start the Bronco and it was not starting. I called my husband and son they came after me and looked at the Bronco . I had to call road side assistance took 4 hours for them to get to the bronco cause we waited on them. Get to the Ford dealership and got a call today saying the technician is pretty sure it’s engine failure. They said they would pull it back in the shop and double check it but he is sure it is engine failure. My Bronco only has 9,980 miles on it and has never gave me any trouble. My question is for people who have had their 2.7 engines replaced how long did it take to get the new and back up and running? I’m making payments on a truck I can’t use and I’ve had to borrow my nephews truck and he is needing it back as he purchased a new charger and wants to drive the truck I borrowed to work. I get that it’s his truck but that leaves me on foot. I still have a kid in school. How and what number do I use to reach out to ford over the bronco?
 

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I have a 2021 Sasquatch Base model and have never had any trouble out of my bronco til 8/28 I was heading home and all the sudden I had 4 codes flashing on the display, truck lost power I couldn’t go over 5 miles per hour. Luckily, I was able to pull into a gas station parking lot about 3 miles from my house. The truck shut off, interior lights and headlights worked just fine. I tried to start the Bronco and it was not starting. I called my husband and son they came after me and looked at the Bronco . I had to call road side assistance took 4 hours for them to get to the bronco cause we waited on them. Get to the Ford dealership and got a call today saying the technician is pretty sure it’s engine failure. They said they would pull it back in the shop and double check it but he is sure it is engine failure. My Bronco only has 9,980 miles on it and has never gave me any trouble. My question is for people who have had their 2.7 engines replaced how long did it take to get the new and back up and running? I’m making payments on a truck I can’t use and I’ve had to borrow my nephews truck and he is needing it back as he purchased a new charger and wants to drive the truck I borrowed to work. I get that it’s his truck but that leaves me on foot. I still have a kid in school. How and what number do I use to reach out to ford over the bronco?
At 9,980 miles this is the highest mileage failure I've seen. @Ford Motor Company
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