2022 Ford Bronco Raptor: First look off-roading in Johnson Valley, California ... watch to the end

['18 M2]

Many of us have been waiting 1.5 years since our ORDER (let's not even talk reservations which are at 2 years now).
The problem is that Ford says it can't build our Broncos due to "commodity shortages", yet they can find the "commodities" to build a Bronco Raptor. Either Ford can find the commodities or they can't - which is it? If Ford can build a Raptor Bronco, then there is NO reason they couldn't build ours too.
I have nothing against the BRaptor - I'd love to have one. But I'd like to get my loaded Badlands order even more. So far Ford hasn't told me anything about when my Badlands could/will be built. This year or next? Who knows?

Your logic is flawed. The Warthog has a lot of unique parts not shared with the regular Bronco including the engine, the drivetrain, the entire suspension, the modular body, the interior, the list goes on.

We are all waiting on different commodities.

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[Boldbronco]

Lol at everyone who either can’t afford it or didn’t get an allocation, coming in here to crap on the raptor

Yeap, specially on the Bronco Nation, you can’t mention Raptor without someone giving you crap. Needless to say I’m not renewing my membership there.

 

[Headless Horseman]

Many of us have been waiting 1.5 years since our ORDER (let's not even talk reservations which are at 2 years now).
The problem is that Ford says it can't build our Broncos due to "commodity shortages", yet they can find the "commodities" to build a Bronco Raptor. Either Ford can find the commodities or they can't - which is it? If Ford can build a Raptor Bronco, then there is NO reason they couldn't build ours too.
I have nothing against the BRaptor - I'd love to have one. But I'd like to get my loaded Badlands order even more. So far Ford hasn't told me anything about when my Badlands could/will be built. This year or next? Who knows?

There are likely quite a bit of differences between the Raptor and the other Bronco models. If this is the case, then it'd make sense for Ford to produce what they can to keep things moving. If they were using parts that were universal and passing over previous orders, that'd most certainly be wrong. I'd think that'd lead to legal issues so I don't think they'd go that way.

 

[bajabronco57]

There are likely quite a bit of differences between the Raptor and the other Bronco models. If this is the case, then it'd make sense for Ford to produce what they can to keep things moving. If they were using parts that were universal and passing over previous orders, that'd most certainly be wrong. I'd think that'd lead to legal issues so I don't think they'd go that way.

What legal issues would it cause? Seriously everyone around here thinks they have Ford by some legal strangle hold if they don't build their order. You're not the customer, the dealership is. You are not buying anything from Ford, you are buying it from a dealership. I'm not defending the system but it's important to understand the system.

Even most people's purchase agreements aren't legally binding.

 

[Headless Horseman]

What legal issues would it cause? Seriously everyone around here thinks they have Ford by some legal strangle hold if they don't build their order. You're not the customer, the dealership is. You are not buying anything from Ford, you are buying it from a dealership. I'm not defending the system but it's important to understand the system.

Even most people's purchase agreements aren't legally binding.

If you put an order in with a company, there's a reasonable expectation of delivery (sooner or later). If it's known that the company is just skipping over orders indiscriminately and those people have deposits down (it is a contract, after all), there will be legal issues. Right or wrong, people will eventually pursue a legal course of action. Heck, people went after Rivian for lesser things recently. Either way, the optics are horrible and the situation will not be viewed favorably by anybody.

Your contract is with Ford Motors so you are the customer. It is understood the dealership is not making the vehicle....the dealership is a representative of Ford, so they are in the loop, as well.

 

[Raptor911]

if you can't afford one or did not get an allocation then you just talk nonsense >> Legally Ford can't do this or it does not look good .. whatever trash they can throw at it.

If everyone would just step back and consider the product that Ford is producing. The Warthog exist for the hardcore enthusiast. Much like the Porsche GT4 RS which Porsche said they would never build. Same for the Wrangler 392 .. which jeep said they would never build.

As a product, the Warthog is very very unique. Especially with electrification already here and ICE engines maybe seeing an end within the next 10-20 years.

As car enthusiast we should appreciate the Warthog as a product that we may never see again by any manufacturer.

What legal issues would it cause? Seriously everyone around here thinks they have Ford by some legal strangle hold if they don't build their order. You're not the customer, the dealership is. You are not buying anything from Ford, you are buying it from a dealership. I'm not defending the system but it's important to understand the system.

Even most people's purchase agreements aren't legally binding.

 

[bajabronco57]

If you put an order in with a company, there's a reasonable expectation of delivery (sooner or later). If it's known that the company is just skipping over orders indiscriminately and those people have deposits down (it is a contract, after all), there will be legal issues. Right or wrong, people will eventually pursue a legal course of action. Heck, people went after Rivian for lesser things recently. Either way, the optics are horrible and the situation will not be viewed favorably by anybody.

Your contract is with Ford Motors so you are the customer. It is understood the dealership is not making the vehicle....the dealership is a representative of Ford, so they are in the loop, as well.

They can pursue one and lose money on an attorney and still not get a Bronco. What contract did you sign with Ford that is actually legally binding? There isn't one. You did not sign a notarized legal document. I made a build which forwarded me to my dealership.

I'm not saying this looks good on Ford, but people claiming to be able to file some civil suit over your order not being built look just as bad.

The ONLY document I have signed along with anyone else was when I got my DORA and requested the sales manager and I both sign it showing what my cost would be, to include ADM. Prior to that I didn't sign anything.

 

[shawn6107]

Did anyone else notice how thin the UCA looked in that shot of it bouncing as they were traveling down a trail? It surprised me they didn’t have a UCA that looked more substantial.

 

[Raptor911]

I don't want to state the obvious, but the UCA is attached to the spindle which is attached to the axle which is attached to the wheel. So if the wheel is bouncing down the trail then the UCA will bounce with it. You would have a serious issue if the a vehicle was driving down a dirt road and the UCA was not moving at all.

also, the warthog UCA is much bigger when compared to the F150 Raptor UCA.

Did anyone else notice how thin the UCA looked in that shot of it bouncing as they were traveling down a trail? It surprised me they didn’t have a UCA that looked more substantial.

 

[shawn6107]

I don't want to state the obvious, but the UCA is attached to the spindle which is attached to the axle which is attached to the wheel. So if the wheel is bouncing down the trail then the UCA will bounce with it. You would have a serious issue if if the a vehicle was driving down a dirt road and the UCA was not moving at all.

also, the warthog UCA is much bigger when compared to the F150 Raptor UCA.

I may not have been clear. The bouncing is not a problem. I wasn’t worried about that . I just thought the UCA looked thin. It may not be a problem at all. There’s no evidence that it is at this point. It just surprised me that it was that thin with the longer travel system on the Raptors. I expected something that looked beefier.

 

[CVSJR]

I may not have been clear. The bouncing is not a problem. I wasn’t worried about that . I just thought the UCA looked thin. It may not be a problem at all. There’s no evidence that it is at this point. It just surprised me that it was that thin with the longer travel system on the Raptors. I expected something that looked beefier.

Thin does not mean weak, it's the design that matters. Probably some weight saving measures just like the light weight 37's Ford uses.

 

[TurboS957]

I may not have been clear. The bouncing is not a problem. I wasn’t worried about that . I just thought the UCA looked thin. It may not be a problem at all. There’s no evidence that it is at this point. It just surprised me that it was that thin with the longer travel system on the Raptors. I expected something that looked beefier.

Bronco Raptor UCA's are forged steel.

 

[Luterdan]

From the base Bronco.

Bigger shocks and bigger tires, raises the ground clearance.

 

[Dom]

I can't belive those flares are starting to grow on me. I would like a raptor, but she's outta my budget.

 

[Richtor]

Bigger shocks and bigger tires, raises the ground clearance.

I’m just saying it’s not 4.8 more ground clearance than the badlands Sasquatch pack.

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