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An open letter to Mike Levine et al.

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I might be in the minority because I own an F350 dually longggg wheel base that is 2wd and design to tow and tow only. I believe in using purpose built vehicles for a purpose. My F350 would not do well offroad.... And i don't expect my Bronco to tow... It's a 4wd offroading machine not really designed to tow...It has a short wheelbase so it's naturally flawed for towing as it is. Jeep is the same way, towing with it sucks.... I would not want to tow 5k lbs in a short wheelbase vehicle like the Bronco, especially on the highway... I think that is just plain dangerous....

And honestly not sure what is so important to tow that will be over 3500lbs but under 5k lbs except for maybe a car....And if it was just around town, tow the damn thing at 5k lbs...most important thing about towing in town is the brakes....and forget about towing a car on the highway with it, again, not something I would ever do... I've had a 33" tire blow out on my Jeep on i-95 with a Uhaul attached to it which fell over because of how much the Jeep jack knifed...Scary shit. I also had a mystery trailer come unhinged (despite having the tongue lock still attached and yes it was the correct ball size) on the F350 and i came away with just a little damage....If I was in the Bronco when that happened I could possibly not be here anymore....

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Dude that sounds freaky I wouldn't trust towing much after those experiences either! Glad you made it through those.

For reference we have a body-on-frame SUV that is rated for 7500lbs and we tow our 4400lb (dry) trailer with it all the time both on highway and up logging roads. It has a wheelbase of 114" - 2" less than the four door. Many people who like to camp off-road have small trailers, bass boats, etc. that are pretty heavy for 3500lbs TC but well under 5000lbs.



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I get why people are unhappy with a medium-long list of Bronco issues, but personally I believe the Bronco design team kicked ass. The team who fought for finally getting approval to build it kicked ass. There is room for improvement sure.. but that’s what subsequent model years are for.

I haven’t been this excited for something in a long time. It’s unique and checks about 90% of the boxes. It’s a beast, it looks great, and pays homage to the past.

That being said. Anything that calls out Levine or Ford marketing, the IT Team, or basically any other part of Ford beyond the core design team...have at it.
 

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It's a bronco, you shouldn't be towing anything offroad. You need an f150
Wouldn’t be towing anything off-road, but without the ability to tow decent amount on road, then unhook and go off road, I won’t be getting a bronco. Don’t need an f150 for what I tow, no longer live in an age where a truck is the only thing that can ever tow anything. And I won’t be getting 2 vehicles. It’s not ridiculous to ask for almost half the tow cap of multiple other vehicles with similar dimensions giving the disadvantage for the off-road suspension, 2/3 the tow cap of the truck built on the same platform(5k to rangers 7500) or almost half the f150 with the 2.7(9k). Nobody’s asking to match those tow ratings, but 3500 is crap. As it stands I’ll probably be getting a gladiator(only thing that can tow more than I need, still capable enough for me off road, and has removable top) but would much rather it be the 4 dr bronco with at least 5k tow cap(preferable manual as well, but if I had to get the 2.7/auto for a 5k tow cap I’d begrudgingly deal with it).

Even if I did get 2 vehicles, bronco and something that can tow what I need, that would just mean the bronco gets left at home and would only be used for driving to work and back and would then rarely see off road as it would be sitting at home when I’m on trips with tow vehicle. So saying I need an f150 or anything else to tow with is saying I shouldn’t use the bronco off road at all and it just be my daily driver/mall crawler. If it’s built for off-road, only way it’s gonna get there with me is with a decent tow cap.
 

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Or get an F-250 and tow the Bronco to the trailhead.
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I really don’t understand the “I need more towing” thing. It’s a vehicle for a specific segment of the market. If you want more towing with some 4x4 capability get an Expedition (or a truck)
 

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Wouldn’t be towing anything off-road, but without the ability to tow decent amount on road, then unhook and go off road, I won’t be getting a bronco. Don’t need an f150 for what I tow, no longer live in an age where a truck is the only thing that can ever tow anything. And I won’t be getting 2 vehicles. It’s not ridiculous to ask for almost half the tow cap of multiple other vehicles with similar dimensions giving the disadvantage for the off-road suspension, 2/3 the tow cap of the truck built on the same platform(5k to rangers 7500) or almost half the f150 with the 2.7(9k). Nobody’s asking to match those tow ratings, but 3500 is crap. As it stands I’ll probably be getting a gladiator(only thing that can tow more than I need, still capable enough for me off road, and has removable top) but would much rather it be the 4 dr bronco with at least 5k tow cap(preferable manual as well, but if I had to get the 2.7/auto for a 5k tow cap I’d begrudgingly deal with it).

Even if I did get 2 vehicles, bronco and something that can tow what I need, that would just mean the bronco gets left at home and would only be used for driving to work and back and would then rarely see off road as it would be sitting at home when I’m on trips with tow vehicle. So saying I need an f150 or anything else to tow with is saying I shouldn’t use the bronco off road at all and it just be my daily driver/mall crawler. If it’s built for off-road, only way it’s gonna get there with me is with a decent tow cap.
Wonder how millions of Jeep owners survive. 🤔
 

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Wonder how millions of Jeep owners survive. 🤔
I’m not a Jeep/wrangler owner so what’s your point? Never said nobody can have an off-road vehicle that only tows crap amounts. I said it’s not a lot to ask for in today’s world when suvs same size as a 4dr bronco can tow almost 10k and that I won’t be getting one without at least half that capability. I don’t own a wrangler, and part of it is just that reason, it would sit at home or be my daily driver and wouldn’t go with me on trips to be used.
 

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Interestingly Magna rates the 7MTI550 for up to 405lb-ft of torque, which is pretty much bang-on with the projected output of the 2.7L. This may be far too close for the third guy in aplm7's post, but quite possibly actually good enough. Magna also rates it for up to 22,000lbs of GCWR, so even the people in people in aplm7's first and second photos should be capable of doing the math to allow it for 5000lbs towing.
Up to 479 lb-ft for light commercial vehicle applications...

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I’m not a Jeep/wrangler owner so what’s your point? Never said nobody can have an off-road vehicle that only tows crap amounts. I said it’s not a lot to ask for in today’s world when suvs same size as a 4dr bronco can tow almost 10k and that I won’t be getting one without at least half that capability. I don’t own a wrangler, and part of it is just that reason, it would sit at home or be my daily driver and wouldn’t go with me on trips to be used.
Well, the New Bronco is not for everyone.
 

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Up until very recently, Jeep had very similar numbers towing with the wranglers, and now have similar or slightly larger capacities. They accomplished great ratings in the Gladiator, but now you’re going into the truck segment, and none of those numbers are valid with a manual trans and goes down with larger tires.
Point being, it’s a mid sized suv, not a truck. It was built for a specific purpose. There are plenty of options for towing capacity.
 

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You’ll just have to wait for the bronco truck, get a gladiator, or any other truck. Purpose built off road rig requires compromises in other areas. One of them is towing.
 

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Not buying it to tow. Buying a toy. I’ll buy a truck that’s made for towing if i need one. But it’s tow rating is in line with all the other manufacturers and I would rather lose tow capacity for off road longevity and fun any day.
 
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Wouldn’t be towing anything off-road, but without the ability to tow decent amount on road, then unhook and go off road, I won’t be getting a bronco. Don’t need an f150 for what I tow, no longer live in an age where a truck is the only thing that can ever tow anything. And I won’t be getting 2 vehicles. It’s not ridiculous to ask for almost half the tow cap of multiple other vehicles with similar dimensions giving the disadvantage for the off-road suspension, 2/3 the tow cap of the truck built on the same platform(5k to rangers 7500) or almost half the f150 with the 2.7(9k). Nobody’s asking to match those tow ratings, but 3500 is crap. As it stands I’ll probably be getting a gladiator(only thing that can tow more than I need, still capable enough for me off road, and has removable top) but would much rather it be the 4 dr bronco with at least 5k tow cap(preferable manual as well, but if I had to get the 2.7/auto for a 5k tow cap I’d begrudgingly deal with it).

Even if I did get 2 vehicles, bronco and something that can tow what I need, that would just mean the bronco gets left at home and would only be used for driving to work and back and would then rarely see off road as it would be sitting at home when I’m on trips with tow vehicle. So saying I need an f150 or anything else to tow with is saying I shouldn’t use the bronco off road at all and it just be my daily driver/mall crawler. If it’s built for off-road, only way it’s gonna get there with me is with a decent tow cap.
This is bang on. And exactly why there's a good chance I won't end up being able to get a Bronco.
 
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To add ......... and when you make the suspension tow now it's not good off road.
I fully understand if the tow rating of the Badlands and Sasquatches where held way down due to their incredibly soft and long travel suspension made for rock crawling and other extreme off-road fun, but there should be enough compromise in the base suspension. Or even in a specific setup that is less capable off-road. It would still be an amazing vehicle even with a more utilitarian suspension.
 

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