ARCHETYPE RACING is moving into BRONCO parts

[Hey19]

Some folks here would be very interested in custom cup holder solutions.... Just sayin...

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[Slyder]

Welcome.
I'm looking forward to see what all you come up with.

I'm a '22 M.Y, so it gives me time dream (and drool) about what you come up with.

 

[EIGHTLUG]

How does the friction coefficient of jabroc/delignit against rock compare to steel skids? And are you planning on using that for your bash plates, or just straight carbon composite?

What's the difference between your thermally bonded carbon composite and, idk, autoclaved prepregs? (Not trying to ask trick questions, I'm genuinely curious)

Also every time I see a composites company in the Seattle area I have to ask - how many of your folks went to UW?

I use Delignit Panzerholz on my track focused splitters. Off the cuff, it's 1/4-1/3 the weight of steel of the same size with the same wear properties. It's extremely dense and very low friction. That's why it's used in almost every type of professional racing. When Delignit contacts the asphalt, it slides across it. This keeps the car from becoming unsettled. Unlike a Titanium skid block which grabs at the asphalt and makes sparks.

The primary difference between thermally bonded carbon composite and traditional carbon fiber is that the carbon composite doesn't require a resin application to form and maintain its shape. Resin makes carbon fiber incredibly strong but also very brittle. Carbon composite is formed with 1,000,000 PSI of force and heat. Once the press releases, the panels retains its shape. You can machine it, cut it, mount brackets to it. It becomes as useful as a sheet of plywood. As you can see in the attached picture, I use Delignit in conjunction with carbon composite to make just the best damn splitter you can get. It's near indestructible and even the wear surface (Delignit) can be removed and replaced.

I'd design the sliders and skids the same way. The carbon composite is the bulk of the form but the high wear areas would have a Delignit panel applied for less friction and replace-ability. If you hit a rock with a metal belly pan, the belly pan will deform. Hit it hard enough and it will drive the belly pan directly into the component it was in place to protect. Carbon composite wont do that. It will flex. Once you're past the rock, the panel will go back to its original shape. Its use is becoming more and more popular in the off road world. Lighter, stronger, sustainable.

...And not a UW grad. Kansas State Wildcat. Different shade of purple.

 

[North7]

Admins,

If this post needs to be moved, that's fine. If I need to register as a vendor, let me know. Thanks!

Hello! I'm Curtis. Long time forum reader and YouTube video watcher on all things new Bronco. I'm the owner of ARCHETYPE RACING. Currently we specialize in highly bespoke aero parts and hardware for the GT350, GT500, and other S550 Mustangs. I have a FE Bronco inbound from Upland Ford in Upland, CA. I'm super excited to get this project going! Once I have the new Bronco in my hands, I'll be 3D scanning and modeling as much as I can into Solidworks to develop high quality aftermarket billet aluminum, carbon composite, and carbon fiber parts for it.

https://www.archetyperacing.com/


We'll be machining all of the aluminum parts, in house. The list of new components on my want list is quite expansive. I definitely want to leverage every aspect of the modular front bumper. Additional mounting for lights, modular utility mounts, recovery points, off road flag mounts, the list goes on and on. As always, your input is always welcomed. All of the mounting bracketry for our diffusers, wings, and other components are 6061, 7075, or 17-4 stainless. Being able to make more functional parts for the Bronco will be super fun!

I also work in a very specialized thermally bonded carbon composite. Currently, I'm using this in my front splitters for race cars. It's near indestructible. A 10mm thick piece is bulletproof against handgun rounds and subsonic rifle rounds. I'll start employing this same material in belly pans, rock sliders and skid plates. That is this material's initial use case, when the Gov't put the RFQ out for the design of this carbon composite. It was to line the bottom of APCs, MRAPs, and various other vehicles in war zones against IEDs. It does that job extremely well. It's extremely robust and lightweight. Why not use it for bash plates?

Lastly, there's traditional carbon fiber. All of my carbon fiber parts are made nearby in oh so sunny Georgetown, WA. Replacement body panels, fender flares, interior bits and bobs. All of the typical uses for carbon fiber. With the ability to remove and replace fenders on the Bronco, this seems like a no brainer.


And this is where this community comes in. I'm an enthusiast, like you all. The reason I started ARCHETYPE was because no one was making the parts I wanted or it was being made and it was substandard and manufactured overseas. I'm an Air Force Veteran, small business owner, and I keep all of my manufacturing in the US. I am as passionate about producing a great product, as you are about your vehicle's modifications. It's always humbling to see my parts in pictures on instagram and the owner showing them off. Besides just looking good, they are always super functional.

Aside from my personal list of parts for the Bronco, I'd like the community to drive the direction of what's produced. Many of the components I make for the GT350 and GT500 were because the community asked for it. Group buys, deep discounts, early adopters, all of that is in play. ARCHETYPE can scan, model, produce amazing parts, and ship them direct to you.

ARCHETYPE RACING is also a dealer for Addictive Desert Design and Baja Designs. For Bronco6G Members, there's a standing 10% discount and $100 flat rate shipping on ADD parts and 15% discount and free shipping on Baja Designs. Just PM me your Name/email/Shipping Address/Ph#/and what you'd like and we'll get it going.

Welcome, looking forward to your designs, a couple of questions please.

As a vendor can't you get the 3D files directly from Ford?

And a point on clarification on your "$100 flat rate shipping" does that mean a $50 part costs $100 to ship? or does it mean, free shipping on purchases over $100? or something else?

 

[EIGHTLUG]

Does Ford give out CAD files to vendors to ensure an accurate fit of new parts, or do you have to laser scan a physical car to create your attachment points?

Personally, I perform scans for all of my own parts. I'm sure the data will be available on SEMA, but I trust my equipment to be within 2 microns per 20' when I scan. I have no idea what the root data is that's supplied to everyone by Ford. With most parts, there's some fudge factor to account for 'Ford tolerances', but will begin to compound those tolerances as one part is mounted to another and so on.

 

[EIGHTLUG]

Welcome, looking forward to your designs, a couple of questions please.

As a vendor can't you get the 3D files directly from Ford?

And a point on clarification on your "$100 flat rate shipping" does that mean a $50 part costs $100 to ship? or does it mean, free shipping on purchases over $100? or something else?

Short answer on 3D files is yes, but I like my own data better. It's all available through SEMA.

For ADD, bumpers, light bars, rock rails,... they typically ship freight. It's $100 flat rate for those shipments.
If it's a smaller part like winch parts, light brackets, etc, those will go regular UPS. Discount still applies for those parts.

 

[EIGHTLUG]

Neat stuff.

Spitballing my own hopes/ wishes here, but if you beat Ford to the punch with the so-called "Picatinny" accessory rail - or develop a kit to let those of us with lower-tier models install a dash-mounted power port in a neatly-finished fashion, a la OEM - betting you'd see some interest...

Funny you say that. I have intentions of making it. I really wasn't aware that it wasn't standard on Bronco. I want something similar for my track GT350 to mount GoPros, lap timer, and transponder on. But since you mentioned it, to reverse engineer that rail with some ARCHETYPE enhancements, it's a slam dunk.

 

[EIGHTLUG]

Welcome! Looks and sounds expensive. The Bronco6g peeps will want your products in white to match their white tops.

Raptor911... I'll tell you this much. The quality will be there. Also, being a forum member, you'll have input on the parts and the ability to jump in on the group buy/pre-order before it's available to the main stream. That's one of the ways I'd like to give back to the community, by giving you all here first crack at everything at a lower cost.

 

[frinesi2]

I use Delignit Panzerholz on my track focused splitters. Off the cuff, it's 1/4-1/3 the weight of steel of the same size with the same wear properties. It's extremely dense and very low friction. That's why it's used in almost every type of professional racing. When Delignit contacts the asphalt, it slides across it. This keeps the car from becoming unsettled. Unlike a Titanium skid block which grabs at the asphalt and makes sparks.

The primary difference between thermally bonded carbon composite and traditional carbon fiber is that the carbon composite doesn't require a resin application to form and maintain its shape. Resin makes carbon fiber incredibly strong but also very brittle. Carbon composite is formed with 1,000,000 PSI of force and heat. Once the press releases, the panels retains its shape. You can machine it, cut it, mount brackets to it. It becomes as useful as a sheet of plywood. As you can see in the attached picture, I use Delignit in conjunction with carbon composite to make just the best damn splitter you can get. It's near indestructible and even the wear surface (Delignit) can be removed and replaced.

I'd design the sliders and skids the same way. The carbon composite is the bulk of the form but the high wear areas would have a Delignit panel applied for less friction and replace-ability. If you hit a rock with a metal belly pan, the belly pan will deform. Hit it hard enough and it will drive the belly pan directly into the component it was in place to protect. Carbon composite wont do that. It will flex. Once you're past the rock, the panel will go back to its original shape. Its use is becoming more and more popular in the off road world. Lighter, stronger, sustainable.

...And not a UW grad. Kansas State Wildcat. Different shade of purple.

Very cool, thanks. Can't wait to see it in action!

 

[ATX_Bronco]

Personally, I perform scans for all of my own parts. I'm sure the data will be available on SEMA, but I trust my equipment to be within 2 microns per 20' when I scan. I have no idea what the root data is that's supplied to everyone by Ford. With most parts, there's some fudge factor to account for 'Ford tolerances', but will begin to compound those tolerances as one part is mounted to another and so on.

Awesome. Sounds like you will be making quality products.

 

[North7]

Personally, I perform scans for all of my own parts. I'm sure the data will be available on SEMA, but I trust my equipment to be within 2 microns per 20' when I scan. I have no idea what the root data is that's supplied to everyone by Ford. With most parts, there's some fudge factor to account for 'Ford tolerances', but will begin to compound those tolerances as one part is mounted to another and so on.

Would the Ford's data not be more representative of all Broncos. Ford's data would represent standard manufacturing min / max dimensions. Further, it would allow you to account for tolerance stackup to better insure fit.

If you base your designs on a sample size of one how will you take into account Ford's standard min / max dimensions?

 

[lobbs611]

Does Ford give out CAD files to vendors to ensure an accurate fit of new parts, or do you have to laser scan a physical car to create your attachment points?

It's really up to Ford, GM, FCA, etc. what they choose to share as far as CAD and what not goes. Even when we do get a head start with CAD on one of our kits we usually 3D print brackets and such for when we get a vehicle in house to test fit on before committing to metal. Quite a bit of the time, you just have to reverse engineer something that comes off the car to get where you want to be with a part. If it's an all new platform to us, we may bring in 3,4,5 cars to test fit on just to make sure it's right.

 

[ATX_Bronco]

It's really up to Ford, GM, FCA, etc. what they choose to share as far as CAD and what not goes. Even when we do get a head start with CAD on one of our kits we usually 3D print brackets and such for when we get a vehicle in house to test fit on before committing to metal. Quite a bit of the time, you just have to reverse engineer something that comes off the car to get where you want to be with a part. If it's an all new platform to us, we may bring in 3,4,5 cars to test fit on just to make sure it's right.

Makes sense, and smart. I want to 3D print custom grab handles but know that as an individual I will have no access to CAD

 

[Badsquatch2021]

Might be a simple part but I can guarantee a bunch of people NEED a new front license plate bracket, I'm one of them that lives in a crappy state that requires it. And I'm interested in a way to get some fog lights behind or on the side of the bumper. Aluminum is probably a good solution for both

 

[EIGHTLUG]

Would the Ford's data not be more representative of all Broncos. Ford's data would represent standard manufacturing min / max dimensions. Further, it would allow you to account for tolerance stackup to better insure fit.

If you base your designs on a sample size of one how will you take into account Ford's standard min / max dimensions?

It's dependent on the part. There's tolerance built into the parts we produce that accounts for OEM variances from vehicle to vehicle. Tolerance stacking is accounted for dependent on what the part is. Primary, secondary, or tertiary component. Most are secondary and tertiary parts. Either mounted to something or mounted to a component and another component mounted to it. To be fair, Fords tolerances aren't terrible.

The other thing to consider with OEM supplied data is that it's not as legible. A lot of it is wire models. So not a fully modeled part or sub assembly. Wire models really doesn't show the detail we need for modeling a part from scratch. It's missing contour detail and shape definition. 3D scan in house address all of that.

Attached is a scan performed on the rear of an A90 Supra for spoiler development. We later modeled the entire car.

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