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I would 100% go with the Defender if I was spending $64k+. The Bronco interior is not worth that. I limit myself to $50k on the Bronco and the interior is still not worth that. Lol
I took a test drive in both a new Bronco and Defender. You are 100% correct. Anything past 60k is crazy for any Bronco.
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A stock Defender is going to suffer a tire puncture if you look at a cement parking barrier or 90° curb wrong, evidenced TFLs misadventures.
Everyone knows LR/RR sells specifically to tall, hot Ukrainian women who are married or involved with shady underworld types anyways...
They were using a stock defender on low profile tires lol. Nobody with half a brain is going to try and go rock crawling on low profile tires. The Land Roger audience willing to plunk down 65K+ isn’t going rock crawling anyways.
 
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They were using a stock defender on low profile tires lol. Nobody with half a brain is going to try and go rock crawling on low profile tires. The Land Roger audience willing to plunk down 65K+ isn’t you BFF rock crawling anyways.
IIRC - It had the offroad package, the 6 cylinder, and the smallest tire package available in that combination was 19". The one they were provided had 20". The dealer could have spec'd different wheels if they wished.
 

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This would be my first ever Ford vehicle and.........what an experience.
Same for me. I'm this |---| close to saying "Screw you Ford" and walk away, but the only other vehicle on the market right now that catches my eye is......the new Ford Maverick. ☹

(Yeah, I know, totally different vehicle from the Bronco, but 29 mpg highway and could tow a small boat or camper, and at $36k almost fully-loaded...)

It's a shame the Japanese don't have anything truly compelling on the market right now.
 
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Same for me. I'm this |---| close to saying "Screw you Ford" and walk away, but the only other vehicle on the market right now that catches my eye is......the new Ford Maverick. ☹

(Yeah, I know, totally different vehicle from the Bronco, but 29 mpg highway and could tow a small boat or camper, and at $36k almost fully-loaded...)

It's a shame the Japanese don't have anything truly compelling on the market right now.
Seems to me if Toyota came back with a modern day version of the FJ Landcruiser with removable or soft top (not like the one they did in the 90s), it would be a smash hit. I've not heard of any plans for it though.
 
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Seems to me if Toyota came back with a modern day version of the FJ Landcruiser with removable or soft top (not like the one they did in the 90s), it would be a smash hit. I've not heard of any plans for it though.
Sorry, just looked it up. That vehicle was in production 2007 - 2014.
 

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IIRC - It had the offroad package, the 6 cylinder, and the smallest tire package available in that combination was 19". The one they were provided had 20". The dealer could have spec'd different wheels if they wished.
The one they popped two tires on is the second one they got. No offroad package on that one because it doesn't have the rear locker, only the center locker (if I remember correctly).

19 inch wheels would only give you another .5 inches of sidewall in the factory spec size anyway. Doubt that would make a difference, and 19s are the smallest you can put on a Defender with the 6 cylinder engine without swapping the rear brakes. 18s won't clear the calipers.

Also, they shouldn't have aired down as low as they did on those 20s in my opinion and then they certainly shouldn't have tried the exact same thing after shredding one tire, lol.
 

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IIRC - It had the offroad package, the 6 cylinder, and the smallest tire package available in that combination was 19". The one they were provided had 20". The dealer could have spec'd different wheels if they wished.
That wasn’t off road lol, that was rock crawling. The defender is made for dirt roads and mild terrain with those tires. Anyone seriously wanting to wheel that thing would lift it and run 33-35’s. The defender is a posh, poser offroader and it looks great doing it.
 

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That wasn’t off road lol, that was rock crawling. The defender is made for dirt roads and mild terrain with those tires. Anyone seriously wanting to wheel that thing would lift it and run 33-35’s. The defender is a posh, poser offroader and it looks great doing it.
I totally agree!
See my post #74 on page 5.
 

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Looks FANTASTIC!
I originally started this journey for a new off roader in August 2019 with plans to get a new Defender 90, as I currently own a 99 Disco.

However, the Bronco got on my radar in early 2020 and the thought of taking off the top and proudly driving a Ford after years of that Disco and BMWs......

Well, in the end, it's a Ford man, so this means you have to deal with, well..... Ford. There are indeed some positives here, but there's a ton of bad as well, as in the fact that it has never been an efficient company. At least Ford hasn't been efficient since the late 60's; since then it's been hit or miss all over. I'd hope that everyone here has realized who we're working with, but perhaps not all at the same level of knowledge of what this company is.

The launch has been a dumpster fire, but I'd argue that all Ford launches are dumpster fires, with many ongoing as such.

Then there's Land Rover...... Not exactly what I'd call a godsend. They are equally inefficient and the new Defender is a mall crawler, hipster who likes to go hike, but nothing over 2 miles and nothing uphill and don't even bring up climbing a mountain. He's a fancy IPA guy, even on game day and doesn't do dive bars at all. He's also married, and even when in Vegas on a guy trip, still won't even play wing man just for fun. What a ........! 😒

Keeping with my "bro" analogy, Bronco is just like that dude. Who? Who knows, who cares? But it's that dude who may not totally have his life together, nor is great at relationships, but he's fun, he drinks, he climbs mountains on the weekends and is always down to do whatever the [email protected], but he's always late and forgets some of his gear, and he'll go in the cooler and drink your beer, but he's holding some grass, so he gets a pass.

Those reading this far get my point here? Comes down to which "bro" do you really want to hang out with?

There's your answer. ;)
 

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The local dealer has a couple so I stopped for a sit in them. Worst thing is the front winshield. It's just too short and the frame blocks much of the view, perhaps more than Wrangler. The overall interior is just OK. The outside is boxy, more than Wrangler and on the trail or mall parking lot it has more exposed body than Wrangler. I do like the Bronco but there is just no "WOW" over it. Power is only adequate, rear seat does not fold flat at all, front visibility is really not good, fuel tank is a little small, the spare tire will probably kill the tailgate. Who knows what it's like to service one. That MIC roof is just not getting it for me. But,,,congrats to all that got one and love it. I guess I am expecting too much for $60K+. Maybe when there are more out there and they are just great. The trans and gears should be great. For a sure thing the 4Runner is there fully loaded at $52K about. I like the D90 but not the baggage it comes with. The Ranger needs the 2.7 turbo or bigger but might be a good dirt roader. Oh well, it's all 1st world problems.
 
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Even having a day two reservation, I knew that this process would take time. So, I settled in the the "long haul". Having said that, given the highly optioned Wild Trak build that I ordered in February 2021, I was soon pushed to the 2022 pile. Then, shortly thereafter and with Ford's ongoing hardtop issues (I ordered dual tops with painted hard top), my build was pushed to the 2023 pile. "OK, that's not cool, but whatever..." Then, the ultimate insult came this past Friday when my dealer called to convert my order from the existing 2021 to....well who knows at this point. During our brief conversation, he informed me that the Antimatter Blue that I wanted from day one and, in fact, ordered my Wild Trak to be, has now been discontinued by Ford. Call me crazy, but that is the equivalent of a major smack to the face of a customer who had been ready and able to fork over north of $64,000 for a new Bronco. I have never seen such a disaster of a product launch. I'm sure there have been some, but none in which I had a personal stake. I have not yet cancelled my order and received my deposit back, but I'm eyeing my phone as I tap this out. Looking for any logical reason why I should not do so at this point.
You absolutely need to cancel your reservation and show Ford you are not going to put up with this anymore!
 
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I originally started this journey for a new off roader in August 2019 with plans to get a new Defender 90, as I currently own a 99 Disco.

However, the Bronco got on my radar in early 2020 and the thought of taking off the top and proudly driving a Ford after years of that Disco and BMWs......

Well, in the end, it's a Ford man, so this means you have to deal with, well..... Ford. There are indeed some positives here, but there's a ton of bad as well, as in the fact that it has never been an efficient company. At least Ford hasn't been efficient since the late 60's; since then it's been hit or miss all over. I'd hope that everyone here has realized who we're working with, but perhaps not all at the same level of knowledge of what this company is.

The launch has been a dumpster fire, but I'd argue that all Ford launches are dumpster fires, with many ongoing as such.

Then there's Land Rover...... Not exactly what I'd call a godsend. They are equally inefficient and the new Defender is a mall crawler, hipster who likes to go hike, but nothing over 2 miles and nothing uphill and don't even bring up climbing a mountain. He's a fancy IPA guy, even on game day and doesn't do dive bars at all. He's also married, and even when in Vegas on a guy trip, still won't even play wing man just for fun. What a ........! 😒

Keeping with my "bro" analogy, Bronco is just like that dude. Who? Who knows, who cares? But it's that dude who may not totally have his life together, nor is great at relationships, but he's fun, he drinks, he climbs mountains on the weekends and is always down to do whatever the [email protected], but he's always late and forgets some of his gear, and he'll go in the cooler and drink your beer, but he's holding some grass, so he gets a pass.

Those reading this far get my point here? Comes down to which "bro" do you really want to hang out with?

There's your answer. ;)
Shit man! You win the internet today! Great take.
 

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pick another color. Wait like the rest of us. Read the boastful articles and feel like the world is getting their Bronco before you as if you were singled out by the spirit of Henry F himself for some unknown reason. Maybe its a test to see if you are as tough as the Bronco.
 
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