As-yet-unseen Bronco prototype codenamed “Rock Monster”, 2.7 V6 confirmed AND MORE!-TFLCar

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More importantly, I don't plan on doing a lot of drag racing in my Bronco. I don't doubt that the 2.7Eb is a good engine, I just value the qualities of a NA over forced induction, and when I do lay into it I'd rather hear the V8 and not some fake noise piped in through the speakers.



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Everyone wants a 5.0. Ford, give the people what they want!

Personally, I.m hoping for a 3.3 Ecoboost.
 

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Here are Car and Driver's test numbers
How can they be 500 lbs apart, was one 2WD?

More importantly, I don't plan on doing a lot of drag racing in my Bronco. I don't doubt that the 2.7Eb is a good engine, I just value the qualities of a NA over forced induction, and when I do lay into it I'd rather hear the V8 and not some fake noise piped in through the speakers.
I think it is possible that many younger people have never driven a V-8.
I own both the 2.7 and coyote. The 5.0, even stock, just seems to be loafing along,
almost effortless in brisk acceleration. The 2.7 EB seems like you have to be more deliberate.

And once you boost the 5.0, it's probably going to be the fastest thing you have ever driven.
Yes a tuned 2.7 is going to out torque a 5.0 (once in boost), but if I really need more torque than the 5.0,
500+ ft-lbs to the wheels, just off idle, is easily available.
 

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I’m having a hard time finding “reliable” resources, but...
2.7L Ecoboost dry weight is 440lbs (compacted graphite iron)
5.0L Coyote dry weight is 430lbs (aluminum)

Would love to see the Coyote offered, but we’ll see.
 

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and actually gets better highway mileage at 75 MPH despite significantly worse EPA highway ratings.
Whats odd is I had thought the EB motors go rich under even moderate boost, and that
is why they got worse mileage. But that doesn't show up in monitoring/datalogging.

My fusion can be under 8 lbs of boost (moderate accel) and still be around stoich according to factory wideband.
I guess it is possible that DI is dumping in localized fuel that does not show up on wideband, but
I'm not sure how Ford (and especially aftermarket tuners) tunes around that........
 

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More importantly, I don't plan on doing a lot of drag racing in my Bronco. I don't doubt that the 2.7Eb is a good engine, I just value the qualities of a NA over forced induction, and when I do lay into it I'd rather hear the V8 and not some fake noise piped in through the speakers.
Don't worry, you'll probably get fake noise either way... the Coyote cars have the sound tube that pumps intake air to the cabin for fake noise, and the Voodoo engines have the noise in the speakers. I'm sure the Bronco will have the same regardless of what engine options it gets

That being said, after seeing the real world differences in fuel economy between the 2.7 and 5.0 F150s, I'm almost more inclined to get a Coyote-powered Bronco if they offer it. I already have a Coyote car, and the gas mileage isn't very good at all... that's why I wanted the Ecoboost. I knew the EB engines didn't match the EPA estimates, but I didn't think it was THAT far off
 

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Don't worry, you'll probably get fake noise either way... the Coyote cars have the sound tube that pumps intake air to the cabin for fake noise, and the Voodoo engines have the noise in the speakers. I'm sure the Bronco will have the same regardless of what engine options it gets

That being said, after seeing the real world differences in fuel economy between the 2.7 and 5.0 F150s, I'm almost more inclined to get a Coyote-powered Bronco if they offer it. I already have a Coyote car, and the gas mileage isn't very good at all... that's why I wanted the Ecoboost. I knew the EB engines didn't match the EPA estimates, but I didn't think it was THAT far off
Yeah I hope not, stock Coyote sounds great and aftermarket exhaust Coyote sounds awesome.

 

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I hope the engineering and quality can kick the butt of FCA and the Wrangler. Retro styling with solid drive train and chassis, and customizable, that will be a winner! The 2.7 seems to be a solid performer and has worked out well for the F150. I just hope we can pick and choose our options verses a fully loaded truck just to be able to get a good motor.
 

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Yeah I hope not, stock Coyote sounds great and aftermarket exhaust Coyote sounds awesome.

Mine sounded excellent stock with the active exhaust, and even better with an x-pipe, but it still had that damn sound tube. Pulling that out was one of the first "mods" I did on the car LOL
 

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IMHO, I feel Ford has the opportunity to not only compete with the wrangler but to really take it up a notch (a couple notches imo) by Ford offering the 5.0 in the Bronco as I haven't seen anything indicating a V8 is being considered by Jeep at this time. Ford shouldn't settle to match the best that Jeep offers, they need to take the lead in this segment by being innovative and be the leader, not the follower!!! Come on Ford, knock it out of the park...waaaaaay out of the park!!! 5.0 manual Rock Monster Bronco for me please!!!
 

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IMHO, I feel Ford has the opportunity to not only compete with the wrangler but to really take it up a notch (a couple notches imo) by Ford offering the 5.0 in the Bronco as I haven't seen anything indicating a V8 is being considered by Jeep at this time. Ford shouldn't settle to match the best that Jeep offers, they need to take the lead in this segment by being innovative and be the leader, not the follower!!! Come on Ford, knock it out of the park...waaaaaay out of the park!!! 5.0 manual Rock Monster Bronco for me please!!!
Honestly, this really could make the Bronco the outlier of the segment... AFAIK, Jeep isn't even looking at a V8 as an option in the Wrangler, and the potential upcoming GMC competitor is just considering the Colorado's engine choices. If the Bronco got a V8 option, that could be something that no other manufacturer would be able to say and could have the Bronco coming out of the gates hot and heavy to swoop up the Jeep's sales.

x2 for a 5.0 manual Bronco!
 

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If they are putting the EB in the best selling truck in the world and it is outselling the 5.0, why does anyone think they will offer a 5.0 in the Bronco? From my outside view looking in, I think it's a pipe dream to think a 5.0 will be offered.

I have a coyote in my 2011 F-150 and love it. But I am not holding my breath on one for the Bronco. I just do see it happening.
 

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Time will soon tell....
'Soon' seems optimistic.

If they are putting the EB in the best selling truck in the world and it is outselling the 5.0, why does anyone think they will offer a 5.0 in the Bronco?
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I have a coyote in my 2011 F-150 and love it. But I am not holding my breath on one for the Bronco. . .
To make more money. It would probably be the most expensive, and easiest to build, engine option. (perhaps the hybrid will be more costly?)

The last numbers I was able to find indicated the 5.0, a $2k option, was outselling the base engine (3.3) in the F150.

If even 1/10 Broncos sold had the Coyote upsell option you're talking something like 10,000 units at around 10% profit (add-on profit is bound to be higher than base) of $200 is another $2M in profit while making customers happy and making the competition look bad.

Nothing but upsides AFAIK. The idea that Ford needs to drum up a "business case" for this seems comical to me. Just a story to explain why the 5.0 will be a big $$ markup on the Bronco.

You can be sure the V8 buyers would be subsidising the hybrid.
 



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