Bad news about MIC 2.0 quality after a few days

[cowman]

Why am I getting the feeling that Ford just sprayed a primer coat on the MIC 1.0 and shipped them out???

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[mpeugeot]

Why am I getting the feeling that Ford just sprayed a primer coat on the MIC 1.0 and shipped them out???

Because that's more than likely what happened.

 

[mpeugeot]

Why am I getting the feeling that Ford just sprayed a primer coat on the MIC 1.0 and shipped them out???

Because that's more than likely what happened. They call that 'retooling'!

 

[Snowdogyyz]

Because that's more than likely what happened. They call that 'retooling'!

Retooling. I’ll retool you!

guess the movie…..

 

[flip]

I'm not going to post the pics of the FE that just arrived. Everyone needs to order the soft top until they start making MODs.

 

[HBTFD]

Lowest Bidder for the job and you get the expected results. I‘m sure this was bid out and then cost reductions were made.

Yes. Exactly how Ford works with suppliers when I was working for them.

 

[21BL2DR]

4 tops in boxes, just sitting there.... and yet how many stuck still at the Dirt Mountain Storage Complex.

four tops in boxes scheduled to be switched out with bad tops already delivered. I would be willing to bet that way more are being allocated to dirt mountain than already delivered orders.

 

[The Dmv]

Well, I work with data. I don't make rash decisions based on zero information. A picture on the internet of bonded edge of a plastic sandwich that looks rough and possibly permeable doesn't count as data in my book. I have some experience in the manufacture of plastic parts, not an expert, but well above the average consumer. It's said the honeycomb structure inside the top is cardboard. Is that confirmed or is it just rumor from someone who has looked at it and not know what he was looking at.

I've researched it as much as possible, but I don't even know for sure what type of plastic is used (thermoformed vs. thermosetting) in the top and what plastic forming processes are used to create and bond the parts. I can't see a paper product having enough rigidity or chemical reaction to cause a honeycomb imprint through SMC or or an injection molded polyethylene plastic. I could envision a process of solvent bonding of a plastic honeycomb structure bleeding through a thin sheet plastic skin, but solvent bonding wouldn't be used for a paper-based material. I've not yet even seen a MIC top in person to inspect it and maybe provide clues as to how it is manufactured. TBH all of the pics of seen on this Forum of the MIC top, it looks okay to me. If you have to have an eyeball (or lens) 3 inches from the surface to see the honeycomb, then LOL. Eyeball any car's painted surface that is averagely maintained by its owner and the paint will look like shit too; my cars do.

Nothing I've seen about the MIC top says it is a POS. Manufacturing tolerances are a different subject matter. I'll reserve judgement on it until I see a few in person.

Right. But unless those pictures are doctored, the edges look like poop. And they’re brand new, or certainly new enough to be expected to not look like poop…no?

 

[NatureMan]

What was mark levine’s response?

 

[1975U15]

Okay, normally I don't call this out, as I understand the misspelling, but to use both forms in the same sentence and still get it wrong...

Ha! I have a very good buddy that get's this wrong every time. I don't have the guts to point it out to him(dude has a damn MBA).

But if I did, I'd say it like Bif Tannnen.... "It's Lose not Loose, you sound like a damn fool when you spell it wrong"

 

[NatureMan]

What was mark levine’s response?

 

[Broncodave]

What was mark levine’s response?

Has this thing gone political now?!

 

[ByrdDogX]

What we need is an adapter kit for the Jeep hard top. (I kid)

 

[flip]

Just checked parts system, no running completes and no long blocks yet. 43 in transit to packager with an off back order date of 11/15. Shows 4 on backorder and could mean at least 2 of those are forum members.

 

[indio22]

Well, I work with data. I don't make rash decisions based on zero information. A picture on the internet of bonded edge of a plastic sandwich that looks rough and possibly permeable doesn't count as data in my book. I have some experience in the manufacture of plastic parts, not an expert, but well above the average consumer. It's said the honeycomb structure inside the top is cardboard. Is that confirmed or is it just rumor from someone who has looked at it and not know what he was looking at.

I've researched it as much as possible, but I don't even know for sure what type of plastic is used (thermoformed vs. thermosetting) in the top and what plastic forming processes are used to create and bond the parts. I can't see a paper product having enough rigidity or chemical reaction to cause a honeycomb imprint through SMC or or an injection molded polyethylene plastic. I could envision a process of solvent bonding of a plastic honeycomb structure bleeding through a thin sheet plastic skin, but solvent bonding wouldn't be used for a paper-based material. I've not yet even seen a MIC top in person to inspect it and maybe provide clues as to how it is manufactured. TBH all of the pics of seen on this Forum of the MIC top, it looks okay to me. If you have to have an eyeball (or lens) 3 inches from the surface to see the honeycomb, then LOL. Eyeball any car's painted surface that is averagely maintained by its owner and the paint will look like shit too; my cars do.

Nothing I've seen about the MIC top says it is a POS. Manufacturing tolerances are a different subject matter. I'll reserve judgement on it until I see a few in person.

I don't know for sure the exact material composition and manufacturing process used for Bronco. But below is a link mentioning Webasto and paper honeycomb used in composite roofs.

There is mention of the outer surface acting as weatherproofing. It's reasonable to assume you would not want water getting inside the composite interior due to seams or edges that might not be completely sealed. Susceptibility to water doing damage inside, would depend on the extent that the paper honeycomb was infused with other materials.

https://www.webasto-group.com/en/technologies-trends/lightweight/polyurethane-composites/

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