Better SAS Lift Kit - Zone OffRoad or ICON

[PCDan]

The spring setup determines ride height. For Zone/Icon kits, they get about half of the front lift from the strut spacer, and half from the spring preload spacer.

But like I said … the fox has to be longer than stock to lift the truck 2-3

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[rtaylor]

But like I said … the fox has to be longer than stock to lift the truck 2-3

The front fox coilover is ~1" longer, which is contributing 1.5" of lift. The rest comes from the spring preload.

The spacer kits work the same way. They add 1" to the length using a strut spacer, then add a preload spacer on the spring for additional lift.

 

[PCDan]

The front fox coilover is ~1" longer, which is contributing 1.5" of lift. The rest comes from the spring preload.

The spacer kits work the same way. They add 1" to the length using a strut spacer, then add a preload spacer on the spring for additional lift.

But the difference is the shock that a spacer is inserted into is not meant to be extended by preloading the spring. Whereas a coil over like the FOX is designed to both lift the truck and to operate in the optimum stoke.

 

[rtaylor]

But the difference is the shock that a spacer is inserted into is not meant to be extended by preloading the spring. Whereas a coil over like the FOX is designed to both lift the truck and to operate in the optimum stoke.

True, Fox had more flexibility in their coilover design than they did for their spacer kit. Since they could only lengthen the front 1" due to CV, they both suffer from limited down-travel at 3" lift over SAS. For optimum stroke (match SAS ratio), Fox coilovers may need to be adjusted to ~1.5" lift over SAS (not leveled)?

The king coilovers don’t lift a SasQ other than maybe 1/2 inch. I spoke with them , and they have no idea when they will have a shock that lifts a SasQ.

Sellers are advertising lift (e.g. 2.5" default that can be increased to 3"). Perhaps they meant that you shouldn't increase preload more than 1/2" higher than factory default (same as Fox)?

 

[Werkedperformance]

@PCDan

fox has a 20% increase in travel claim. That’s compared to stock, non Sasquatch or Badlands bronco.

 

[Werkedperformance]

@PCDan

fox has a 20% increase in travel claim. That’s compared to stock, non Sasquatch or Badlands bronco.

im waiting to hear back from Loren on spring rate Funhaver is using. He was testing yesterday.

 

[PCDan]

@PCDan

fox has a 20% increase in travel claim. That’s compared to stock, non Sasquatch or Badlands bronco.

Probably correct. But the specs are still a 2-3 in lift on a SasQ.

 

[PCDan]

True, Fox had more flexibility in their coilover design than they did for their spacer kit. Since they could only lengthen the front 1" due to CV, they both suffer from limited down-travel at 3" lift over SAS. For optimum stroke (match SAS ratio), Fox coilovers may need to be adjusted to ~1.5" lift over SAS (not leveled)?


Sellers are advertising lift (e.g. 2.5" default that can be increased to 3"). Perhaps they meant that you shouldn't increase preload more than 1/2" higher than factory default (same as Fox)?

When I spoke to King they said “ I don’t know” and then said 0-2.5” over stock. Not over SAS. But then I’m not sure anyone over there that you get on the phone even knows. It’s unfortunate because they make a great product, but hard to get any reliable info from them. That’s why I ordered the Fox. They have posted specs by 2dr and 4dr and by SAS and non-SAS … and Camburg built a truck with them for reference.

 

[Benzo520]

A couple of first-hand notes on this topic:
1) First, Zone Offroad does not offer any products that would cause suspension bind. Follow our instructions and use the parts as designed.

2) Specific to the new Bronco, Ford did an excellent job designing a chassis that accommodates tall tires and high-performance driving out of the box. Presumably, the Bronco chassis may have also been designed to accommodate future configurations, as well. Bottom Line: It's an excellent and easily upgradable chassis design.

Based on the above, the old saw "..All spacers are bad!" does not apply -- at least not with Zone Offroad systems. We determined effective spacer height limits that work within the chassis' available suspension travel range and clearance -- and did not exceed those limits. It's also worth noting that proper spacers may open up your available shock options in the future. We don't expect to convince everyone, nor are we saying all spacers from all manufacturers are effective, but we did do the math on numerous actual Broncos and stand behind Zone Offroad Bronco Spacer Systems.

-- As far as how to compare Zone Offroad with other brands, this is IMPORTANT: Beware "one size fits all" offerings. Zone Offroad offers multiple spacer systems -- each geared towards a specific Bronco model. Some companies appear to use one top spacer height for all Bronco shock package lengths. This is bad: The wrong thickness spacer can cause UCA, tie rod end and CV shaft components to be overextended. When in doubt, check for vague fitment notes or poor/missing instructions. That may help separate the brands that did legit development from brands that rushed to market.

-- Additional Consideration:
Bump Stop Extensions: Our 3" and 4" Adventure Series systems include bump stop extensions - which in addition to their basic function, help prevent spring fatigue due to repeat overcompression of the springs. Some brands will omit this critical feature to cut costs or make their sell price look more attractive.
Control Arms: We are super proud of this part. They work to restore suspension geometry and ball joint articulation range at taller lift heights along with allowing for proper alignment. Also, they are dead sexy. You need to see them in person and will be proud to have them on your Bronco.

The entire Bronco product range can be found HERE

What material are the spacers made out of, that are in the adventure series kit?

 

[Gamecock]

A couple of first-hand notes on this topic:
1) First, Zone Offroad does not offer any products that would cause suspension bind. Follow our instructions and use the parts as designed.

2) Specific to the new Bronco, Ford did an excellent job designing a chassis that accommodates tall tires and high-performance driving out of the box. Presumably, the Bronco chassis may have also been designed to accommodate future configurations, as well. Bottom Line: It's an excellent and easily upgradable chassis design.

Based on the above, the old saw "..All spacers are bad!" does not apply -- at least not with Zone Offroad systems. We determined effective spacer height limits that work within the chassis' available suspension travel range and clearance -- and did not exceed those limits. It's also worth noting that proper spacers may open up your available shock options in the future. We don't expect to convince everyone, nor are we saying all spacers from all manufacturers are effective, but we did do the math on numerous actual Broncos and stand behind Zone Offroad Bronco Spacer Systems.

-- As far as how to compare Zone Offroad with other brands, this is IMPORTANT: Beware "one size fits all" offerings. Zone Offroad offers multiple spacer systems -- each geared towards a specific Bronco model. Some companies appear to use one top spacer height for all Bronco shock package lengths. This is bad: The wrong thickness spacer can cause UCA, tie rod end and CV shaft components to be overextended. When in doubt, check for vague fitment notes or poor/missing instructions. That may help separate the brands that did legit development from brands that rushed to market.

-- Additional Consideration:
Bump Stop Extensions: Our 3" and 4" Adventure Series systems include bump stop extensions - which in addition to their basic function, help prevent spring fatigue due to repeat overcompression of the springs. Some brands will omit this critical feature to cut costs or make their sell price look more attractive.
Control Arms: We are super proud of this part. They work to restore suspension geometry and ball joint articulation range at taller lift heights along with allowing for proper alignment. Also, they are dead sexy. You need to see them in person and will be proud to have them on your Bronco.

The entire Bronco product range can be found HERE

Have you considered offering taller/stiffer front springs to level the front of a Sasquatch Bronco? Some companies offer that for Toyota IFS systems, and I used them initially with my FJ and it seemed to work better than spacer leveling.

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