Black Diamond Sound Deadening Dilemma

[Norm A.]

Get the Ford Headliner and if you don't like it get the HotHeads and just cut out the areas where the HH goes, that way you will have the areas of the roof covered with OEM where the HotHeads doesn't cover p.s. I'm sure the glue they use will be a pain to get OEM headliner off

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[BroncoBuckaroo]

Since my original build didn't allow for the sound deadening option initially, I had my mind set on purchasing an aftermarket HotHeads kit instead. For one, it seems much more substantial, and the reviews on their Jeep products are glowingly positive. Also, being in Arizona, the thickness of the HotHeads' product will aid in minimizing the transfer of heat from the roof to the cabin of my Bronco.

That said, now that Ford is offering FREE sound deadening on all MIC tops (with the caveat that Black Diamond reservation holders need to contact their dealer and have them add it to their builds free of charge), I'm at a crossroads: Do I just take the free version from Ford and not look back? Or do I stay the course, get my MIC top without the pre-installed thin liner and go with a HotHeads eventually? I imagine installing a HH on top of the Ford deadening is a no-go, as the weight of the HH could potentially begin to pull on the Ford headliner, causing it to sag (especially out here with the AZ heat potentially softening up the adhesive)

Are any other Black Diamond owners have the same trepidations?
(I've attached a pic of Ford's deadener versus a HotHeads Jeep deadener to showcase the differences in quality, fit, and coverage)

I’m going with HH, partly because I’m having my top redone in white and I want to be able to do the inside portion too. But also I like the heat reflective material and quality of HH. Looks like the Ford version is just a spray glued version of the material they use for the fold down seats.

 

[BroncoBuckaroo]

It’s up to you, but I’d put money on the reason being that it’s easier and faster to produce a single spec and opting out would be joining a “special” build list, which may or may not add time to the build...just saying!

my guess is nobody was ordering it (for the price) But to leave something off is not a special building ..it just goes though faster. my guess is the few they did have ordered would have slowed it down.

 

[Jmax]

I was really disappointed when I couldn’t get my bronco with the sound deadening topside to the options I selected. Then saw this story and was pleasantly surprised but also saw the end product. So I’m confused about this sound deadening headliner. Based off the pics it appears to be a fancy way of saying fabric/carpet adhered to the same roof system... where as many of the aftermarket solutions actual consist of sound deadening material other than carpet. Very Leary of this... anyone have additional info on this.

 

[mdepll]

I ordered MIC top with sound deadening a few weeks ago. Does that mean dealer will eventually redo my bill of sale with new price ?

 

[MaXberN]

Since my original build didn't allow for the sound deadening option initially, I had my mind set on purchasing an aftermarket HotHeads kit instead. For one, it seems much more substantial, and the reviews on their Jeep products are glowingly positive. Also, being in Arizona, the thickness of the HotHeads' product will aid in minimizing the transfer of heat from the roof to the cabin of my Bronco.

That said, now that Ford is offering FREE sound deadening on all MIC tops (with the caveat that Black Diamond reservation holders need to contact their dealer and have them add it to their builds free of charge), I'm at a crossroads: Do I just take the free version from Ford and not look back? Or do I stay the course, get my MIC top without the pre-installed thin liner and go with a HotHeads eventually? I imagine installing a HH on top of the Ford deadening is a no-go, as the weight of the HH could potentially begin to pull on the Ford headliner, causing it to sag (especially out here with the AZ heat potentially softening up the adhesive)

Are any other Black Diamond owners have the same trepidations?
(I've attached a pic of Ford's deadener versus a HotHeads Jeep deadener to showcase the differences in quality, fit, and coverage)

I grew up in Phoenix. I don’t think there is a headliner made that’s going to make a difference April - September. I’d recommend a good 30 minute remote start AC blast.

 

[Bronc-O]

I was really disappointed when I couldn’t get my bronco with the sound deadening topside to the options I selected. Then saw this story and was pleasantly surprised but also saw the end product. So I’m confused about this sound deadening headliner. Based off the pics it appears to be a fancy way of saying fabric/carpet adhered to the same roof system... where as many of the aftermarket solutions actual consist of sound deadening material other than carpet. Very Leary of this... anyone have additional info on this.

Well, what is the HotHead made out of? Isn't it a piece of foil attached to cardboard and a piece of cloth on the visible surface? The panels are thicker, but does cardboard work any better and is it fire rated as the factory material is?
HotHead isn't providing much info about any potential product. He keeps saying, ya we're working on it but that's about all. I would think that as the president of the company, he'd try marketing it a little bit harder.

 

[Hemisfear]

my guess is nobody was ordering it (for the price) But to leave something off is not a special building ..it just goes though faster. my guess is the few they did have ordered would have slowed it down.

Not if the majority of orders would now be “with” sound deadening, which do you think would be run first/most often, but I could be wrong, it’s just my guess!

 

[Virtual-Chris]

I’ll probably add the Hot Heads over the factory liner. The more sound deadening, the better.

 

[Scohin]

I'm taking the free headliner, I'll probably get the Hot Heads anyways.

 

[JaxGtc]

I’ll probably add the Hot Heads over the factory liner. The more sound deadening, the better.

Given the looks of the OEM headliner, it may accept the opposite part of the hook and loop fastener, provided what you are using is not too heavy.
I have liked the OEM headliner since day 1 and that is what I am going with.

 

[Darforce]

Of course take the free one. If you don’t like it get the other one. If anything you can sell the free one to off set the cost of the hot heads.

 

[Erock]

Does the hot heads have a framework that captures the material? It looks like it does to me and if so, wouldn’t they design theirs to work in conjunction with the factory one? I haven’t bothered looking at the hot heads other than the pics here on the forum, so I have no idea of how they install.

 

[MacHudson]

Anybody know for sure? - Will the hook side of Velcro stick to the Covering top liner?

 

[BroncoBuckaroo]

Well, what is the HotHead made out of? Isn't it a piece of foil attached to cardboard and a piece of cloth on the visible surface? The panels are thicker, but does cardboard work any better and is it fire rated as the factory material is?
HotHead isn't providing much info about any potential product. He keeps saying, ya we're working on it but that's about all. I would think that as the president of the company, he'd try marketing it a little bit harder.

it’s not card board -it’s panel board - In addition to foam, radiant backer and then colored material.

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