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Tip...notes that quotations at the beginning and end of a word or phrase indicate the writer is quoting someone ELSE. The "harm the engine" thing is something you brought up...I was revisiting what you had brought up. To make it simple...I hope if you or anyone else who decides to not follow the most recent information form Ford doesn't experience a negative outcome...whatever that may be.

I am not Ford so I have zero clue as to WHY they do the things they do. If 6 quarts does eventually "ruin the engine," (note the quotes there...your words not mine) that will be on Ford...because the latest information states that 6 is the correct amount. I would wager that Ford has better things to do than send you (or the rest of us) a personal letter that explains in intimate detail what they were thinking or any form of explanation or apology. Also, again, I never said (nor do I think) that running 7 quarts will "ruin an engine" (quotes again...your words not mine). What I will say is that, as a mechanic, I personally would rather run my oil slightly low than too high. As long as the pickup in the pan remains submerged in oil, uninterrupted, the engine should have oil pressure. The reason dipsticks have a "low" mark is because it is NORMAL for all engines to consume oil over time...and as long as owners keep the oil level above the low mark, there should be adequate lubrication. Any other mechanic on this forum who wants to chime in will also more than likely agree that TOO much oil, on the other hand, CAN lead to issues ("ruin" an engine is an oversimplification...what is more accurate would be words like "aeration" or "foaming" or "sheared oil molecules" or "leaking past seals" or "sporadic oil pressure loss "). Again, because I am not a Ford engineer, I have zero idea at what threshold the oil level in a 2.7 factoring in potential angle changes does to actually using a rig to wheel, becomes an issue. Based on all the above, I will simply stick with 6 quarts for now (like "Ford says").

I will also wager that even if 7 is the "correct" amount, there is little chance that Ford will go BACK to that recommendation AFTER all the scrutiny they received prior to them making the public (current) recommendation to use 6. All the more reason to simply...use 6. You apparently do your own oil changes, so if using 7 makes you happy then there is nothing stopping you.

As for the twist relocation on the C stick, some have speculated that it has been raised due to the drain back location. That theory makes total sense because the first 6 quart stick Ford used was not engineered for the Bronco...it was from a completely different platform (reusing existing parts in new models is not an uncommon practice). If the C stick twist location has been deemed appropriate, it may provide a more accurate reading in a shorter time period than the initial stick (by being located above the drain back). Additionally, if the new stick was produced only for the Bronco with a 2.7, and if it is now the ONLY stick listed as correct, it should reduce confusion as to which stick is the "right" one down the road. That is my personal opinion, not fact...but the takeaway for new members or folks just tuning in to this lengthy thread is that 6 quarts and the H handle (C model) stick are currently "correct." Anyone who wants to continue the debate/conspiracy theory/what-abouts should start a new thread called "why it is my opinion that 7 quarts is better than 6 even though Ford now says to use 6."
All Ford has to do is make one official announcement of why they changed the fill… until then…. I believe the fill is 7qt… no way Ford could or would for over a year have the wrong fill without some one noticing…And yes…. being a Bronco owner Ford needs to give ME and everyone else a answer…


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Have you heard anything from engineering??? I bet the odds are you won’t…
Hmmmmm...Ford "needs" to give you an answer, but you are betting they won't...so probably time to move on, don't you think? You are already running 7 and I imagine you will keep doing that. The bigger question is, even if Ford calls you personally and tells you the correct amount is 6 quarts, would you believe them? It seems like you already made up your mind a long time ago...regardless of what Ford says.

As for an all out "condemnation" of 7 quarts, that won't happen...Ford already indicated that it "won't harm the engine." What we are taking about here, however, is the "correct" amount. It is 6 quarts, and if you follow the latest HTML version of your owner's manual, it clearly indicates that an owner should not fill past the max mark (7 quarts would put the level wel above the full mark on the H handled sticks). I, like everyone else, would feel better if Ford would clarify why their SSM (7 quarts won't harm the engine) contradicts the 6 quart capacity/don't fill past the max mark instructions in the latest HTML manual, but because MOST folks have zero idea what a SSM is, the overwhelming majority of people who are NOT in this forum and who are just now taking delivery of their late build Broncos will more than likely be blissfully unaware of this entire thread and simply run 6 quarts.

BTW, LOTS of people noticed that 7 quarts didn't coincide with the max mark on the H stick for over a year...I got my Bronco in October and the first time I checked the oil I knew something was wonky...if you check the posts many people expressed their concerns (so clearly Ford was aware). Their technicians would have noticed sticks showing overfilled during PDIs. Ford does not want to pay out damages or risk an even worse reputation, so intentionally running thousands of engines too low on oil (if 6 quarts truly is too low) would be a bonehead move on their part (simply to cover up a dipstick screw up...especially one they already admitted to).
 

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like I said earlier, it is now 35 pages of confusion, now multiplied with build year and version combinations out there. All Ford needs to do is issue a damn clarification to the customers (not a useless service advisory) and that would be it. But no, of course not, instead we have all our members in each others hair.......................

Like I said earlier, what a cluster XXXX
 

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like I said earlier, it is now 35 pages of confusion, now multiplied with build year and version combinations out there. All Ford needs to do is issue a damn clarification to the customers (not a useless service advisory) and that would be it. But no, of course not, instead we have all our members in each others hair.......................

Like I said earlier, what a cluster XXXX
Agreed. Given that Ford has not officially provided any information whatsoever on what prompted the 7 to 6 quart swap or if 7 was ever accurate to begin with, in over a year, it's pretty safe to assume that they're not going to address it. For that reason IMHO it make sense to focus on the current listed capacity (and for an administrator to just shut this thread down). I have no desire to be in anyone's hair but I do believe that continuing to post inaccurate information will confuse folks seeking useful information.
 

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Here’s my dipstick. My 2022 built 8/29 has “H” dipstick. Oil is above the hash halfway up to the twist. However much damn oil it takes to fill to the same spot as the delivered level is what it should be.
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Here’s my dipstick. My 2022 built 8/29 has “H” dipstick. Oil is above the hash halfway up to the twist. However much damn oil it takes to fill to the same spot as the delivered level is what it should be.
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Thanks for the update with a recent build. I'm interested to see if the dry fill ever changes.

Going by memory, the H stick is the 2nd generation 6qt service fill stick. That would put the twist higher than than the first gen 6qt stick.
If the first gen 6qt stick was reading 1/2 up the twist with 7.5qt dry fill it would appear you're measuring well above that. If the hash mark length, or hole-to-hole length is 1qt, I estimate from your picture you're above 8qts.

I would quadruple check I'm following the recommended oil check procedure using a timer to measure the intervals.
If I still measured that high, I would take it to the dealer for adjustment. If I was more motivated, I would perform an oil change so I could measure how much drained out.

That looks so much higher than any I've seen posted on the forum. Could be a screw-up from the factory.
 

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Thanks for the update with a recent build. I'm interested to see if the dry fill ever changes.

Going by memory, the H stick is the 2nd generation 6qt service fill stick. That would put the twist higher than than the first gen 6qt stick.
If the first gen 6qt stick was reading 1/2 up the twist with 7.5qt dry fill it would appear you're measuring well above that. If the hash mark length, or hole-to-hole length is 1qt, I estimate from your picture you're above 8qts.

I would quadruple check I'm following the recommended oil check procedure using a timer to measure the intervals.
If I still measured that high, I would take it to the dealer for adjustment. If I was more motivated, I would perform an oil change so I could measure how much drained out.

That looks so much higher than any I've seen posted on the forum. Could be a screw-up from the factory.
Absolutely...either H handle stick should now measure full when the level is actually at the full mark (per the latest Ford HTML manual). There could well be someone on the line reverting to old information and apparently someone at the dealer doing the PDIs who missed the "checking the oil" step. If you measure what comes out at your first oil change including the filter housing drain it should be in the neighboorhood of nearly 6 quarts (the filter holds several ounces). If you get more than that out, and you add 6 upon refill, your stick should then measure accurately.
 

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Thanks for the update with a recent build. I'm interested to see if the dry fill ever changes.

Going by memory, the H stick is the 2nd generation 6qt service fill stick. That would put the twist higher than than the first gen 6qt stick.
If the first gen 6qt stick was reading 1/2 up the twist with 7.5qt dry fill it would appear you're measuring well above that. If the hash mark length, or hole-to-hole length is 1qt, I estimate from your picture you're above 8qts.

I would quadruple check I'm following the recommended oil check procedure using a timer to measure the intervals.
If I still measured that high, I would take it to the dealer for adjustment. If I was more motivated, I would perform an oil change so I could measure how much drained out.

That looks so much higher than any I've seen posted on the forum. Could be a screw-up from the factory.
That’s interesting, hopefully I’m not overfilled but that seems unlikely. I’m taking an educated guess that the oil fill process at the factory is metered.

On the other hand the old stick looks like the twist is just further down closer to the hash.. so the oil level is the same level relative to the hash… but the twist is just higher. IDK you guys. Anybody else with a recent build care to post a pic of their dipstick?
 

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That’s interesting, hopefully I’m not overfilled but that seems unlikely. I’m taking an educated guess that the oil fill process at the factory is metered.

On the other hand the old stick looks like the twist is just further down closer to the hash.. so the oil level is the same level relative to the hash… but the twist is just higher. IDK you guys. Anybody else with a recent build care to post a pic of their dipstick?
I'm only going on memory. I would take a couple more readings following the procedure in the owners manual. It's pretty specific with wait time.

I agree it seems unlikely to have been filled more than any other Bronco rolling down the line.
 

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That’s interesting, hopefully I’m not overfilled but that seems unlikely. I’m taking an educated guess that the oil fill process at the factory is metered.

On the other hand the old stick looks like the twist is just further down closer to the hash.. so the oil level is the same level relative to the hash… but the twist is just higher. IDK you guys. Anybody else with a recent build care to post a pic of their dipstick?
I have the old and the new (and the Raptor stick)...the old and new are marked in exactly the same locations for the full mark. The twist is higher on the (new) C stick, but it is a moot point if the goal is simply filling the oil to the full mark per the manual. The theory is that the twist was moved up due to the drain back location (but that has not been confirmed). The only way to know exactly how much oil is in your pan is to drain the old and refill it...then check the level per the steps in the manual. Then owners can either choose to follow the newest capacity (6) or add whatever amount they believe is the correct amount (which many folks have strong opinions about...just read through the various threads and note the 6.5/7 etc. banter).
 

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So what does the dipstick read with 7 quarts? The Dealership changed mine, they didn't specify on the paperwork how much they put in. My dipstick shows overfull, so assuming they put 7 back in....
Mine was between the 2 lines with 6 after waiting 15min. The 7th qt made it to the correct line.
 

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Agreed. Given that Ford has not officially provided any information whatsoever on what prompted the 7 to 6 quart swap or if 7 was ever accurate to begin with, in over a year, it's pretty safe to assume that they're not going to address it. For that reason IMHO it make sense to focus on the current listed capacity (and for an administrator to just shut this thread down). I have no desire to be in anyone's hair but I do believe that continuing to post inaccurate information will confuse folks seeking useful information.
Most of us on here are adults and capabale of making informed decisions on our own. No need to censor anything. Besides, what would you do with all of that free time not being able to reply to every single post on this thread 😜
 

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Most of us on here are adults and capabale of making informed decisions on our own. No need to censor anything. Besides, what would you do with all of that free time not being able to reply to every single post on this thread 😜
True that...it has grown a life of its own...
 

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Mine was between the 2 lines with 6 after waiting 15min. The 7th qt made it to the correct line.
The Raptor stick (which is not the correct stick for the 2.7) will read just below the full line at 7 quarts. The correct stick, per the most recent HTML manual with whatever VIN you have with a 2.7, will read well above the full/max markers at 7 quarts and right about at the full mark as intended with 6 quarts.
 

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The Raptor stick (which is not the correct stick for the 2.7) will read just below the full line at 7 quarts. The correct stick, per the most recent HTML manual with whatever VIN you have with a 2.7, will read well above the full/max markers at 7 quarts and right about at the full mark as intended with 6 quarts.
This says to me that my Bronco should get 7 quarts. My oil change should reflect the factory oil level, plain and simple, right?
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