Coil Over selection help to upgrade 23 Badlands 4dr SAS HOSS 2

[Big Lig]

This should give you an idea of the difference. Far left is a totally stock Sasquatch black diamond…..middle is Kings (no preload) on small 37s. Weight wise has a in progress bumper with a small winch, fiberglass fenders and soft top in this picture.

I love that! So is that the 25001-392A set? I like that it has 37s (may be in the future, but not yet). I like that it isn't too different. My mother-in-law can still get in and out at least lol.

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[5GENIDN]

AND THEN.... (I like to complicate matters).... THEN there is the question of do you like your shocks and or springs to be digressive, Linear or progressive.... VERY big differences in ride.

Personally I like linear but more and more companies have/are going digressive to provide a firmer on road feel but softer when hitting large bumps.... But that means the little bumps feel firm while the big bumps are softer than you would otherwise expect. I have seen (long ago) a lot of progressive spring set ups that allow a softer feel but stiffen up so not to bottom out. There is a lot at play here....

 

[Mdsuits]

I love that! So is that the 25001-392A set? I like that it has 37s (may be in the future, but not yet). I like that it isn't too different. My mother-in-law can still get in and out at least lol.

mine are actually the 25001-392 but the only difference is the adjuster. I had planned on putting on SDI e click reservoirs on so I figured it would be a waste to buy the adjusters. In hindsight I wish I would have just bought them with the adjusters cause nearly 2 years later I haven’t gotten around to doing the SDI setup.

 

[Lak34ers]

Well, 8112's are not the same as the Kings; the Kings are just cheaper (but still a very good setup). 8112's are the next level up shock setup.

Realistically, given my druthers and expense is no impediment, I'd probably go:

1. 8112s
2. Kings
3. 6100s

#3 is most like where I'll end up if they're not too tall on the 2dr (I can't ever remember, want to stay at or below 2"). I assume my ESC-V's will fail in the next 30k. We'll see!

8812s are really for 35s and what they were built for. Kings can get you to 37s. I have 6100s and stock 35s and they are great for the money. Did see 8112s for about 4.5k with Holiday sales but will probably save up next year to get a black friday/holiday deal.

 

[vgodley1]

To add one more for your conversation I have a 23 badlands sas and I went with the icon stage 4 and I am very happy with the ride on and off road. I have a winch on the front and needed to get the front back up to factory and also running a arb fridge and jackery in the back so went with their heavy rear springs which have worked perfect for me. I also looked at king and fox and I am very happy with my decision.

 

[Oldhippie]

There are so many coilovers out there it is crazy and everyone has their own opinions on what is better…I have little actual knowledge and am certainly no expert…I will just say 37s overwhelmed the stock Sasquatch coilovers and going to close out 4wp/procomp coilovers (on the recommendation of some knowledgeable folks I trust) has made me happy (much better than stock) with the ride/handling again…but I don’t think they can be set at stock height…at any rate I would recommend you call and talk to actual experts who make/rebuild/tune them…good luck

 

[Brian_B]

going to close out 4wp/procomp coilovers (on the recommendation of some knowledgeable folks I trust) has made me happy (much better than stock) with the ride/handling again…but I don’t think they can be set at stock height

I saw these at the closeout price around the net just a couple of weeks ago at Boss4x4- a great deal if they are still in stock at this price.
https://www.boss4x4.com/searchresults.asp?Search=Bronco+2.5"+VSRT&Submit=

But yeah, at the minimum setting they are a bit higher than SAS stock. Maybe if you have a heavy setup they might dip down close to SAS stock. On my non-SAS, at minimum adjustment they were almost 3" of lift (whereas SAS is what, 1.9"?) I did have to adjust a bit in the front when I added a winch to get my rake back to 0.5" with the rears at minimum setting, but it wasn't much.

If you are looking for a budget option - these are a great deal at the close-out pricing (roughly $1,400 for all 4 corners), and have the fully adjustable pre-load collar you are looking for. You would need a new UCA with them, but that's about all you would need to do.

They don't have any adjustment on ride quality though - you get what you get (which for me has been great, but that's my opinion and it's subjective), and the more expensive setups are fully tunable, some on-the-fly.

 

[Bronc69]

I too did a ton of research trying to figure out which CO to get.
I was back and forth between the King and Fox. Then, started to read more and more about the additional mods needed to run 37" tires and decided that I wanted to stick with 35" and build my Bronco around that to optimize that setup.

I ended up ordering the 8112. They're optimized for the 35" tire size as someone pointed out in a previous post. You can get up to a 1.5" lift over the stock SAS package. I'm more than likely going to do a 1" over my stock SAS ride height. I also ordered the APG upper control arms. They are expensive, but they're fully adjustable on the vehicle to make the setup much easier.

The shocks and control arms are still on order. I'll report back when I get them installed. Not exactly sure about timing yet, but I'm figuring the end of Jan at the earliest if you can wait.

 

[mpeugeot]

So I have scoured the threads. Searched the threads. Even dove into YouTube....but my questions are not exactly answered. That is ok, most are focused on lifting while improving the ride quality.

What I have is a 2023 Badlands 4 door SAS (with HOSS 2.0). It is my daily driver, and I am not rock crawling. Most off road use has been back road type trails. Yes, I need to get out a live a little.

What I want is a ride quality at or above the HOSS 3.0, at stock height, BUT the ability to go up 2" in the future without changing the coil overs.

What I have found is almost all of the kits are fairly fixed (even the adjustable ride heights seem to lift to above SAS or back to SAS height). Most of those do not seem to achieve the ride quality I am looking for. Step up to adjustable and it looks like the only options are HOSS 3.0 take offs, which won't really solve the room to grow part, or KING OEM adjustable CO. I know these are ~$4k. Not stressing that part, just want to make sure I am not missing / overlooking something. Are the KINGS overkill for my situation? Is there additional alternatives?

The two least expensive options arr the Eibach Pro Truck 2.0 suspension and 4WP close out VSRT. The Eibach's can typically be found as low as $1500 for the set. I don't have any experience with the 4WP VSRT shocks, so I will limit my comments to the Eibach's.

It is likely to give you about an 1.3" of lift in the rear at minimum settings and no lift in the front at minimum settings. Max settings will give you nearly 3 inches of lift. At the minimum settings you will not need new upper control arms. Unlike Bilstein, King, and Fox, you do not have to remove the suspension to adjust the height with the Eibach's.

All the options discussed so far at the higher price points are really nice, especially when you get adjustable compression and rebound (which you are not going to see at the Eibach's price point).

I have not been in a HOSS 3.0 suspension Bronco yet, so I am unsure of what that ride quality is truly like. From others reports, it's pretty damn good. It would be great to hear from someone who has experience with both.

 

[Eliminator]

I too did a ton of research trying to figure out which CO to get.
I was back and forth between the King and Fox. Then, started to read more and more about the additional mods needed to run 37" tires and decided that I wanted to stick with 35" and build my Bronco around that to optimize that setup.

I ended up ordering the 8112. They're optimized for the 35" tire size as someone pointed out in a previous post. You can get up to a 1.5" lift over the stock SAS package. I'm more than likely going to do a 1" over my stock SAS ride height. I also ordered the APG upper control arms. They are expensive, but they're fully adjustable on the vehicle to make the setup much easier.

The shocks and control arms are still on order. I'll report back when I get them installed. Not exactly sure about timing yet, but I'm figuring the end of Jan at the earliest if you can wait.

Curious, what wheels and tires are you running? 2 doors or 4?

 

[Bronc69]

Curious, what wheels and tires are you running? 2 doors or 4?

I'm running the Gram Lights 57DR-X in 17x8.5 et0 and tires are Nitto Ridge Grappler in 35x12.5.

 

[userdude]

I too did a ton of research trying to figure out which CO to get.
I was back and forth between the King and Fox. Then, started to read more and more about the additional mods needed to run 37" tires and decided that I wanted to stick with 35" and build my Bronco around that to optimize that setup.

I ended up ordering the 8112. They're optimized for the 35" tire size as someone pointed out in a previous post. You can get up to a 1.5" lift over the stock SAS package. I'm more than likely going to do a 1" over my stock SAS ride height. I also ordered the APG upper control arms. They are expensive, but they're fully adjustable on the vehicle to make the setup much easier.

The shocks and control arms are still on order. I'll report back when I get them installed. Not exactly sure about timing yet, but I'm figuring the end of Jan at the earliest if you can wait.

Really interested in your take on the 8112's. If they were to come down to $4k, I might (might!) pull the trigger. Still a lot of money, but the supposed drop in replacement sans big stage update is tempting.

Speaking of which, why are you going with the new UCAs? If you're under 2", you shouldn't need them? Just wondering what the reasoning is beyond they're adjustable.

 

[Squatch]

As my old ex-military boss used to say, let someone else be the tip of that spear...

That's funny... my old OPS loved saying "Mistakes are authorized, REPEATED mistakes are not"

One of mine used to say, "you do what your career can handle." It contained a very simple wisdom, but my wife really hates when I say it.

@mpeugeot has the reply I most agree with for you; Eibachs or closeout 4wp coilovers.

 

[Bronc69]

Really interested in your take on the 8112's. If they were to come down to $4k, I might (might!) pull the trigger. Still a lot of money, but the supposed drop in replacement sans big stage update is tempting.

Speaking of which, why are you going with the new UCAs? If you're under 2", you shouldn't need them? Just wondering what the reasoning is beyond they're adjustable.

UCA's I upgraded due to being able to get the correct alignment with the smaller lift. Might be able to get that with a lift of under 2" with the stock UCAs, but just wanted to make sure everything was aligned properly and worked well.

 

[Big Lig]

One of mine used to say, "you do what your career can handle." It contained a very simple wisdom, but my wife really hates when I say it.

@mpeugeot has the reply I most agree with for you; Eibachs or closeout 4wp coilovers.

We may have worked for the same person at some point lol

One used to say “your pay may reflect your choices”

the two sides of that statement are sharp and heavy lol

I am liking the suggestions of Eibach and 4WP… trying to find additional reviews. The main reason for not wanting to lift now is I intend to stay 35s…. But we all know what happens to intentions lol

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