Disconcerting video - Broken GOAT mode during off roading?

[BAUS67]

Ok Mr Texas mechanic. You can diagnose all you want... I can doubt you all are half as competent as you think you are. That's my contribution. Your contribution misses the point that THIS Bronco, and Broncos driven by professionals at sanctioned events, have needed to be "reset" after light off-road use. It's doubtful that this is an isolated issue. Ford needs to step it up.

Not to sure where you are coming from with this but you say I am not competent to comment on this. Well, Mr expert, I have been in the car business for 20 years modifying peoples rides, and have been into all things mechanical since I have been 10 years old. All I pointed out was that a I saw a video that the same problem happen to Shelby and apparently Ford did not think there was a problem because now we have customers receiving Broncos with the same problem.

So as far as I am concerned sir you can take your comments and shove them right up your ASS !!!

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[Jdyount]

Bro, you haven't heard??? The JD Texas sensor expert historian guy has already spoken. This is NOT new OR Bronco specific...case closed!

I do actually know what I'm talking about and I know that I don't HAVE to prove that to you but why not:

"A vehicle’s “Service AdvanceTrac” warning light can be illuminated for a number of reasons, but most often pertains to sensor-related issues."

"When faced with an AdvanceTrac system issue, you can still drive your vehicle without any ill-effects. However, most vehicles automatically disable all AdvanceTrac related functions, when an active system fault has been detected."

"Service AdvanceTrac" Warning Light (What it Means and How to Reset) (cartreatments.com)

Given the fact that the ABS light was illuminated, it very likely was an ABS sensor fault. The fact that it went away after he drove for a while points even more to a temporary sensor fault. Obviously he should go get diagnostics ran to find out exactly what happened.

This whole "the sky is falling, the Bronco can't handle simple off-roading" mentality is based on what, this and a pre-production unit that at an event where anything could have happened, say a rock hitting a wheel speed sensor cable and damaging it? So when you're using these two examples to say the bronco is a POS it really shows that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Again, I do actually have hands on off-road experience with the Bronco so when I say I know it's not fragile and useless off-road as you are implying, I have something to base that on.

When it comes down to it, post whatever you want but if your goal was to look like an ignorant ass: Mission accomplished.

 

[Dads_bronze_bronco]

I do actually know what I'm talking about and I know that I don't HAVE to prove that to you but why not:

"A vehicle’s “Service AdvanceTrac” warning light can be illuminated for a number of reasons, but most often pertains to sensor-related issues."

"When faced with an AdvanceTrac system issue, you can still drive your vehicle without any ill-effects. However, most vehicles automatically disable all AdvanceTrac related functions, when an active system fault has been detected."

"Service AdvanceTrac" Warning Light (What it Means and How to Reset) (cartreatments.com)

And again, I do actually have hands on off-road experience with the Bronco so when I say I know it's not fragile and useless off road as you are implying, I have something to base that on.

When it comes down to it, post whatever you want but if your goal was to look like an ignorant ass: Mission accomplished.

Wait, are you saying this is a bad sensor, or maybe a bad connection to the sensor? Or are you saying this may randomly happen?

Because my Jeep has never done that on the trail. It’s a pain in the ass to get the front locker to engage (so happy Ford made that a separate switch), and you have to disconnect the sway bar before you hit the obstacles (which most would do on the Bronco), but I’ve never had multiple disabling warnings from wheel spin.

Net: if this isn’t fixing a sensor, and Ford wants to compete, this is not acceptable as normal / not to worry it’ll clear up.

I am hoping evilletruck comes back on here and tells us the dealer found a bad or improperly installed sensor, bad wire, loose connector or whatever, and reflashed the software, and after testing it seems ok. As it is, I would not be very confident if I were him until I was sure it wasn’t repeating.

 

[evilletruck]

There should be a code stored for this event which will tell why the TCS shut itself down. You can download Forscan and get a $30 diagnostic cable from Amazon and find out exactly what happened without doing the trial and error. This will also let you do fun things like turn off auto start-stop

Good point, and I already have Forscan and cable. besides tried to do the trial and error method and was a lot harder to stop the Bronco from moving than expected. It just climbed over any chocks I could find

 

[Jdyount]

Wait, are you saying this is a bad sensor, or maybe a bad connection to the sensor? Or are you saying this may randomly happen?

Because my Jeep has never done that on the trail. It’s a pain in the ass to get the front locker to engage (so happy Ford made that a separate switch), and you have to disconnect the sway bar before you hit the obstacles (which most would do on the Bronco), but I’ve never had multiple disabling warnings from wheel spin.

Net: if this isn’t fixing a sensor, and Ford wants to compete, this is not acceptable as normal / not to worry it’ll clear up.

I am hoping evilletruck comes back on here and tells us the dealer found a bad or improperly installed sensor, bad wire, loose connector or whatever, and reflashed the software, and after testing it seems ok. As it is, I would not be very confident if I were him until I was sure it wasn’t repeating.

Lets take a second here and use some logic, is it more likely that Ford has some nefarious plot to build a crappy vehicle that they've made us wait years for or that there was a sensor fault?

Jeeps have wheel speed sensors too. I bet you anything that Jeep has an many defective sensors (per capita) as Ford, as GM, as any car company. More than likely these sensors are all made by 1 or 2 third party manufacturers.

My whole point is everyone needs to CALM DOWN and quit trying to make this something it isn't.

 

[Jdyount]

Good point, and I already have Forscan and cable. besides tried to do the trial and error method and was a lot harder to stop the Bronco from moving than expected. It just climbed over any chocks I could find

Keep us updated!

 

[Dads_bronze_bronco]

Lets take a second here and use some logic, is it more likely that Ford has some nefarious plot to build a crappy vehicle that they've made us wait years for or that there was a sensor fault?

Jeeps have wheel speed sensors too. I bet you anything that Jeep has an many defective sensors (per capita) as Ford, as GM, as any car company. More than likely these sensors are all made by 1 or 2 third party manufacturers.

My whole point is everyone needs to CALM DOWN and quit trying to make this something it isn't.

So you’re saying you think it is a bad sensor. (Which seems reasonable, and shit happens.)

 

[WuNgUn]

Some of the comments on here... Pretty pathetic. Lol
GOAT mode, apart from some minor throttle mapping, and varying degrees of ABS/wheel sensor traction control and speed monitoring does absolutely fuck all apart from selecting drive modes or lockers for you.... And in the case of Badlands, maybe the swaybar disconnect. Should the system flip out because it spun a wheel prior to selecting a mode? No...
Why did it do this? Obviously erroneous sensor data to the computer. Did the driver cause this? No...
Should the driver select a mode before hitting an obstacle...? I dunno... Maybe. Should it matter? No...
Clearly he was learning and demonstrating the capabilities of his new truck, starting in 2WD and working his way up to 4Lo. And when the truck had a fit, he rationally went about solving the issue and getting going again.
Is there an inherent fault in the system design in all Bronco's? Probably not but not beyond the realms of possibility seeing how new it is. With that said, this isn't the first offroad traction control system Ford has ever designed... This relies heavily on industry wide ABS/wheel speed senor technology that's been common place for over 20 years or more!
Is it disappointing to see this happen to a brand new Bronco? Absolutely...
Am I cancelling my order because I saw this? Absolutely not...

 

[da_jokker]

Wow, the level of arrogance with some of these post is above and beyond, even for normal B6G.

A tire spun so thats the fault of the driver cuz he didn't know what he was doing?

Mud/Rut is only for extreme uses (yet that is the defacto off-road GOAT mode)

We don't need no stinking 4x4s, just climb everything in 2 wheel drive or your a pussy.

It is clear that the OP is not up to par with all the details of the Bronco ins-and-out that many of us may be, but to think this is his fault because he didnt do yada yada is complete horse shit.

GOAT modes were designed for the non- off-road experts, so they don't have to determine which switches to flip. To think that a novice can scramble up the ECU buy using or not using the one feature specifically designed for the novice is ridiculous.

There is clearly something buggy about that bronco whether it be a sensor or software bugs. The fact that we have seen at least 3 different videos of the ECU wigging out, tells me for one, without a doubt, that Ford still has some stuff to sort out.

I look forward to the OP followup as to if he or the dealer find out anything. But I wouldn't be surprised if in true B6G fashion you a-holes didn't chase him off.

I'm sure I don't speak alone by saying I much more value his Factual and real-life feedback than some of these arm chair quarterback's hot air.

 

[Hamhands]

The only difference between your Base and his Bronco is that you didn't choose the rear locker, anything else in power train is almost the same.

crap, it turns out you are correct

The only difference between your Base and his Bronco is that you didn't choose the rear locker, anything else in power train is almost the same.

you are correct, i thought all I was getting is flat tow 4h and 4l, thanks for the heads up.

 

[evilletruck]

Thanks all for the suggestions and thoughts, turns out it was rear wheel speed sensor that got the signal it didn't like that caused this.

Why would an off road mode not expect some wheel spin? No idea and it's something that is being looked into further with help of dealership and Ford techs.

Posted an updated video and answered some of the questions about goat mode from this thread hope it helps

 

[dgorsett]

Let's just wait for the end diagnostic results. he has said he will post 'em as soon as he can.

You're right of course but you know the 6g community is not good at waiting, or maybe we are ...it's been a year right?

My comment stands no matter the outcome in this case. If you're in terrain requiring a certain 4wd mode you might wan to engage it first in case there's some kind of fault later, so it stays in the drive mode you need.

 

[buzpro]

Thanks all for the suggestions and thoughts, turns out it was rear wheel speed sensor that got the signal it didn't like that caused this.

Why would an off road mode not expect some wheel spin? No idea and it's something that is being looked into further with help of dealership and Ford techs.

Posted an updated video and answered some of the questions about goat mode from this thread hope it helps

Thanks for the update Bill .... another good informative video ... looking forward to your next update from the Ford techs.

I also want to thank the 6G community for all their opinions on this thread, but there are a few people who think they can make their point better, by name calling or throwing insults. To those people i say you don't need to! you can make your points respectfully, to be taken serious, as an adult.

 

[WuNgUn]

Thanks all for the suggestions and thoughts, turns out it was rear wheel speed sensor that got the signal it didn't like that caused this.

Why would an off road mode not expect some wheel spin? No idea and it's something that is being looked into further with help of dealership and Ford techs.

Posted an updated video and answered some of the questions about goat mode from this thread hope it helps

You shouldn't need to be in Neutral to go 2H to 4H...
If you crept forward in drive, I'm sure it would engage. For that matter, with auto 4X4 option you can switch on the fly.
Neutral is required to go to 4 low however. And the car will tell you to switch to neutral

 

[WuNgUn]

Wtf. Pretty sure I just watched you try to go 4H in drive earlier in the vid and it wouldn't go.... But later, it did

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