Does the Bronco Transmission Shift Faster than a Porsche PDK (Dual Clutch)?

[swamp2]

Seems likely.

No reason to believe the Ford version of the jointly developed transmission (10R60) doesn't shift just as fast as GMs 10R80 version. The latter is faster than (most likely) the 2017-ish Porsche PDK dual clutch.

Quicker shifts than a dual-clutch transmission – Testing has shown faster upshift times than the Porsche PDK dual-clutch transmission. In fact, the 1-2 upshift is 36-percent quicker than the PDK, while the 2-3 and 3-4 upshifts are 27-percent and 26-percent quicker, respectively.

Quoted here from GM.

As a *HUGE* fan of the PDK in my 911, I can't wait to row the 10R60 through the gears in my Raptor.

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[Newbie]

The latter is faster than (most likely) the 2017-ish Porsche PDK dual clutch.

 

[Ducati1098]

No reason to believe the Ford version of the jointly developed transmission (10R60) doesn't shift just as fast as GMs 10R80 version. The latter is faster than (most likely) the 2017-ish Porsche PDK dual clutch.

Fords 10R60 and 10R80, are 2 different transmissions. Although still very similar.

The Ford 10R80 and the GM 10L80 are basically the same.

 

[Ducati1098]

Here is a great article explaining the differences between Fords 10R60, 10R80, and 10R140.

https://gearsmagazine.com/magazine/...0r140-10r80-and-10r60-the-same-but-different/

 

[swamp2]

Here is a great article explaining the differences between Fords 10R60, 10R80, and 10R140.

https://gearsmagazine.com/magazine/...0r140-10r80-and-10r60-the-same-but-different/

Good find. The detail that these trans run hot is interesting. Their normal operating temp is above the peak I'd like to see in other rigs!

 

[swamp2]

Hmmm, unclear...

You doubt the validity of GMs statement or that the 80 and 60 have similar shift times?

 

[Ducati1098]

Good find. The detail that these trans run hot is interesting. Their normal operating temp is above the peak I'd like to see in other rigs!

Yeah, the 10 speeds do normally operate pretty hot. But that's a pretty normal temperature for all newer ford transmissions. Most are at operating temperature around 190 degrees or higher.

 

[Lakelife36]

Seems likely.

No reason to believe the Ford version of the jointly developed transmission (10R60) doesn't shift just as fast as GMs 10R80 version. The latter is faster than (most likely) the 2017-ish Porsche PDK dual clutch.



Quoted here from GM.

As a *HUGE* fan of the PDK in my 911, I can't wait to row the 10R60 through the gears in my Raptor.

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[swamp2]

@damarble is rolling in his grave

Don't get this... Insider comment?

 

[2020FordRaptor]

Seems likely.

No reason to believe the Ford version of the jointly developed transmission (10R60) doesn't shift just as fast as GMs 10R80 version. The latter is faster than (most likely) the 2017-ish Porsche PDK dual clutch.



Quoted here from GM.

As a *HUGE* fan of the PDK in my 911, I can't wait to row the 10R60 through the gears in my Raptor.

Yep a 6 figure car shifts slower than a $40k truck. Yep Porsche didn't spend millions on a PDK.

 

[swamp2]

Yep a 6 figure car shifts slower than a $40k truck. Yep Porsche didn't spend millions on a PDK.

Hmmm. I'm a big Porsche and PDK fan (and owner). Sure they made a large investment in their PDK development. That said, GM and Ford did the same for their jointly developed 10 speed. This transmission will be used for more years and end up in more vehicles than the PDK. A large R&D budget was absolutely justified.

Automatic tranny's have also gotten so much better in general in the last decade+. It could be that some lower end vehicles specifically have software which makes for slower shifts. It is all down to the software these days automatic or dual clutch, the 10 speed hardware should all permit very fast shifts.

In short, I believe the GM reference and don't see any technological reason it is improbable or unlikley.

 

[BigMeatsBronco]

Seems likely.

No reason to believe the Ford version of the jointly developed transmission (10R60) doesn't shift just as fast as GMs 10R80 version. The latter is faster than (most likely) the 2017-ish Porsche PDK dual clutch.



Quoted here from GM.

As a *HUGE* fan of the PDK in my 911, I can't wait to row the 10R60 through the gears in my Raptor.

Not much reason to believe it does shift that fast either....Gm does not build a 10R60 to my knowledge and the presumption that it shifts the same as a GM is a stretch. Having owned 4 porsche, I have to say that the broncos auto does NOT feel like it shifts anywhere near as fast as my Macan did. Also as you mentioned, the shift logic is far superior in the porsche. In upshifts the porsche RPMs drop virtually instantly ....while the Bronco seems to rpm-hang on upshifts. Down shifts are similar tho as I can be rolling along at 15-20mph and floor the Bronco and it will bark the 40s tires loose on dry pavement! Impressive firm, fast downshifts.

If you think your Braptor your waiting for will shift as good as your porsche, I think you'll be sorely disappointed.

Even in the f150 forums which do use the transmission you mentioned, I see more complaining about shift points than bragging about porsche-like-shift speeds.

 

[swamp2]

Not much reason to believe it does shift that fast either....Gm does not build a 10R60 to my knowledge and the presumption that it shifts the same as a GM is a stretch. Having owned 4 porsche, I have to say that the broncos auto does NOT feel like it shifts anywhere near as fast as my Macan did. Also as you mentioned, the shift logic is far superior in the porsche. In upshifts the porsche RPMs drop virtually instantly ....while the Bronco seems to rpm-hang on upshifts. Down shifts are similar tho as I can be rolling along at 15-20mph and floor the Bronco and it will bark the 40s tires loose on dry pavement! Impressive firm, fast downshifts.

If you think your Braptor your waiting for will shift as good as your porsche, I think you'll be sorely disappointed.

Even in the f150 forums which do use the transmission you mentioned, I see more complaining about shift points than bragging about porsche-like-shift speeds.

The 10R60 is part of a family of transmissions jointly developed and sold by both GM and Ford. Other than a difference in peak torque capacity this is a family so their performance should be quite similar. Maybe a better way to say that is that their theoretical peak performance should be very similar.

It is also safe to assume that TCU software between Raptor and non-Raptor are significantly different. Thus your Bronco very well may not be a match transmission performance wise compared to the Raptor.

Ultimately do I expect Braptors to match or exceed a PDK overall, no, but I also believe GMs press release on shift times.

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