Don’t be these people after you get your Bronco.

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but why all the littering for those that enjoy the outdoors that offroad?
This 100x.

Also, Federal land is OUR land as citizens. If you wanted your children to inherit your personal land, you wouldn't go dumping antifreeze and whipping PBR cans into the woods, would you? So why would you on federal land?





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Okay gonna be honest here (and in an offroad community I can only imagine the push back and flaming I am going to recieve...), but why all the littering for those that enjoy the outdoors that offroad? I realize I am lumping everyone in this bucket, and it may be a few bad apples that ruin it, but some of the quad, 4wd, crowd seems to have very poor manners when it comes to being outside.

I say this being an avid mountain biker, camper, backpacker, kayaker, hiker, etc. This group of individuals I have yet to see toss a beer can, or even a clif bar wrapper into the woods after 20+ years. But I can tell exactly where the 4 wheel drive crowd has been. Why is that?

This is probably my biggest reason for not wanting to attend some club gathering as I wouldn't be able to deal watching people be wreck less or litter while outdoors (again, I am assuming here).
its not just off road people, its people in general. The national parks get trashed by hiker/campers, I know I live in one and see pics almost everyday from the hiking groups.
 

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This is probably my biggest reason for not wanting to attend some club gathering as I wouldn't be able to deal watching people be wreck less or litter while outdoors (again, I am assuming here).
Not alone there.
Bronco will be my first off-road vehicle, so while I am starting to follow a couple of local off-road groups online while I wait, I am not entirely looking forward to actually trying to find a group to go out with and learn from.

I'm a bit of an introvert anyway, so there's always a degree of discomfort meeting new people. But I also tend to be more of a rational moderate on most political issues and try to look at things from multiple perspectives. Doesn't seem like that's going to fit well with some of these groups. I'm virtually impossible to offend, but I don't feel like spending hours with a bunch of narrow-minded assholes either.
Hopefully just me stressing about a non-issue, but I get where you're coming from.
 

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Yeah, this made the news here in Phoenix. Lower Sycamore Creek recreation area is well known around here. I mountain bike the area from time to time. It’s a nice, normally peaceful chunk of Sonoran desert. Too bad these jackasses were out there screwing things up.

Bob
 

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This is the crap that ruins it for everyone because they most likely were very destructive and not giving a f**ck about the environment. Then everything gets locked down
 

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This whole country has permanently freaked out. We had about injury at the waterfalls yesterday. They had to air lift the guy out because he broke part of his back and 70 freaking people in about a 70x150 ft area woulnd clear out of the area and go back down the trail so the rescue crews could do their jobs. They all just crowded in and pulled out their phones. Some asked when this would be over so they could go swimming.

People are getting to be the worst. Especially in crowds.
Don't underestimate how "stupid" people are in large crowds!
 

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its not just off road people, its people in general. The national parks get trashed by hiker/campers, I know I live in one and see pics almost everyday from the hiking groups.
I work on private property that is open to the public so most people treat it like public land. They trash it and are surprised when I tell them that they are littering in someones yard. If its public they just beleive that someone will clean up after them. If its private they just feel obligated to danate or buy something to pay for someone to clean up after them. Trashy either way you look at it. Not everyone just about 20%. Thats about 60 freeking million crappy Americans.
 

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Well shit, there goes my plans.......:sneaky:

I'm convinced that years ago an alien spaceship came down, and dropped off of their stupid people. What makes it worse is, they ain't coming back to get 'em. o_O
 

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I hear Area 51 is more inviting...
 

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Not alone there.
Bronco will be my first off-road vehicle, so while I am starting to follow a couple of local off-road groups online while I wait, I am not entirely looking forward to actually trying to find a group to go out with and learn from.

I'm a bit of an introvert anyway, so there's always a degree of discomfort meeting new people. But I also tend to be more of a rational moderate on most political issues and try to look at things from multiple perspectives. Doesn't seem like that's going to fit well with some of these groups. I'm virtually impossible to offend, but I don't feel like spending hours with a bunch of narrow-minded assholes either.
Hopefully just me stressing about a non-issue, but I get where you're coming from.

You are correct, it is just you stressing about a non issue..:)

Most legitimate clubs k ow how to treat the trails and the environment and you would be surprised at the cross section of beliefs you will encounter/ politics is left at the trailhead.

This was a bunch of kids out partying as we all did as kids... hopefully the ones sited will be held responsible for organizing a cleanup party..👍
 

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its not just off road people, its people in general. The national parks get trashed by hiker/campers, I know I live in one and see pics almost everyday from the hiking groups.
^^ This

As most can tell by my avatar, I'm a big time off-roader but also extremely environmentally aware of my surroundings. This is a people problem, not an off-road/4WD crowd problem. We have run many trail cleanups on the Rubicon, Fordeyce and Barrett Lake trails and everyone that uses these trails nowdays seems to have a don't care attitude. Barrett Lake was closed to motorized vehicles for a couple of years since it's in the High Sierra and has a very fragile ecosystem. During it's closure it was only accessible to hikers and horses, once it was reopened we had many garbage bags out full of Clif bar wrappers, trail nut mix, plastic water bottles, etc that hauled out. Same reason why we don't run the local trails anymore on the weekends, unfortunately, we are now living with the 'all about me' generation. Ever since the younger party generation has discovered these locations they have ruined it for most. There are parts of these trails that are now closed to any human access due to the disregard and negligence of a few. By all means, have fun, enjoy nature however you want, but do it responsibly and respectfully to others and the environment. I think most anyone, novice or experienced could learn a lot from visiting the treadlightly.org and blueribboncoalition.org websites.
 

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One of my favorite trails in Colorado got gated. In an attempt to fend off future gates and trail closures, I started bringing trash bags, to remove trash along the trails.

It's kind of a pain off-roading with a bag full of empty beer cans/bottles, left by a small number of d*ckish off-roaders. On the other hand, it was nice driving back along a clean trail.
Yeah - have come across party dumps on the trail. I don't get the mentality. How do you enjoy getting out in the wild, and then not clean up after yourself? Is it that hard to put your beer cans and bottles in a trash bag instead of throwing it all around you?
 

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