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YESTo all of the Ford owners-
Could it be detuned because of their transmission choice (which some believe is inferior)?
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YESTo all of the Ford owners-
Could it be detuned because of their transmission choice (which some believe is inferior)?
I highly doubt the transmission has anything to do with any torque limiting happening.
Sure, it doesn't add up if you intentionally ignore all of the factors that matter.10 seconds? That's fing depressing.
Heck the Bronco Sport and the Explorer (grocery getter) both run in the high 5's.
The Tahoe runs in the 6's and weighs more than the Bronco.
10 seconds is unacceptable. Where is all that HP and torque going?
Something doesn't add up here.
35in tiresWhere is all that HP and torque going?
Way to take it in stride. Forums can be rough and most of us are just sitting in the background watching the arguments unfold. I like your vids even if I'm given information I don't like. Plus, it's not like other people won't test out these Broncos in different situations, so we'll get a general idea over time how elevation and model specs play a role. Looking forward to your off-roading vid!You found him. And how has your summer of off-roading been in your new Bronco
In all seriousness folks we’ve tried different modes, different 4x4 settings, traction settings and look: it’s a 5,000 lb + vehicle on 35’s with 330 HP. No driver mod or mode or 4x4 setting is really going to have that big of a difference. It’s not exactly fighting for traction in a straight line in 2wd with tires wider than nebraska, at least not at our elevation.
Stay tuned for the off-road vid, that’ll be one to watch tomorrow. I wasn’t for the drag race but we’ve received an ungodly number of requests so there ya have it. -Tommy (skinny Waldo dude)
Heavy vehicle + large tires = challenging to get moving. Objects at rest tend to stay at rest...Obviously I'm an idiot, but i was betting on the bronco being great off the line due to gearing, etc. and then running out of steam on the top end. Looks like it's the exact opposite. Trying to line up a demo test drive now.
I'm 100% sure the factory calibration limits torque to limit wear on the transmission and related drivetrain parts.To all of the Ford owners-
Could it be detuned because of their transmission choice (which some believe is inferior)?
My problem is the fact that i don't need the real go over 40. I'll take decent go over 40 at most. I'll reserve judgment until i drive it myself.Heavy vehicle + large tires = challenging to get moving. Objects at rest tend to stay at rest...
Add in that the engine doesn't put out its maximum power until the turbos are spooling, coupled with the speculated torque management in low gears, and you get a start that isn't great.
The fact that it has real go above 40 shows that the engine isn't the issue...
That really makes no sense; you will never take a miata or civic rock crawling; you will never take a 2 seater on large family trips; you will never drag race in reverse....but you WILL drive the Bronco 0-60 every single day you take it on the road. Every day. That's why people look at it...it's a daily task, and people want to see how it compares to it's off road peers in performing a task that is as common as it gets for the vehicle, even if not the reason it was built, or the reason to buy it. People want to know whether it is competent in a routine task.Irrelevant to the Bronco purpose. Some more suggested tests outside of what the vehicle is made for:
1. Miata vs Civic in off road rock crawling competition
2. Best two seater for large family trips
3. Drag racing Corvette vs Mustang, in reverse gears
My guess is its more related to axles and cv's in the bronco than it is the trans itself. With 4.70 diffs you are talking about almost 10k ft-lbs applied to the axles in 1st gear. That's not even low range.I'm 100% sure the factory calibration limits torque to limit wear on the transmission and related drivetrain parts.
Not apple to apples, but the 10 speed in the Super Duty's can be tuned to unlock 200+ (yes 200) additional ft-lbs of torque just by raising torque limiters. In factory trim, the PCM can calculate the input shaft torque and defuel the engine as necessary to stay within the limits. I have never tuned just the transmission on an F-150, but trans tuning can make or break how the trucks accelerates regardless of what the HP/TQ numbers are.
I don’t know why you’re still trying to compare a specific f-150 that was tracked who knows where to a FE bronco in a different location with a different driver and who knows all the other variables.2021 Ford F-150 Sport 4x4 EcoBoost SpecificationsBASE PRICE$45,500PRICE AS TESTED$59,655VEHICLE LAYOUTFront-engine, 4WD, 5-pass, 4-door truckENGINE2.7L/325-hp/400-lb-ft twin-turbo DOHC 24-valve V-6TRANSMISSION10-speed automaticCURB WEIGHT (F/R DIST)5,270 lb (58/42%)WHEELBASE145.4 inLENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT231.7 x 79.9 x 77.2 in0-60 MPH6.1 secQUARTER MILE14.7 sec @ 94.7 mphBRAKING, 60-0 MPH122 ftLATERAL ACCELERATION0.79 g (avg)MT FIGURE EIGHT27.9 sec @ 0.61 g (avg)EPA CITY/HWY/COMB FUEL ECON19/24/21 mpgENERGY CONS, CITY/HWY177/140 kWh/100 milesCO2 EMISSIONS, COMB0.93 lb/mile
Not every negative thing that ever happens is someone shilling for a competitor. Be realistic about the product. It’s going to have some flaws. The Bronco just is. Not. Fast. It was never going to be. People got high on their own farts over the HP and TQ numbers and forgot to check the weight, aero, tire size, transmission limitations, and other factors. The “launch” they did is far more indicative of everyday use than the launch you apparently wanted, which was TC off and all conditions optimal. It just isn’t going to be quick for everyday use. It’s fine.This video is trash…. They drag race while the bronco is in 2 high with traction control on… it’s for the views and to make FCA happy. Like I said trash.