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The 2.3L in the Ranger reaches its max torque at 3,000 RPM according to this.

I assume that it doesn't magically jump from no torque to 310 pound feet of it as soon as it hits 3k RPM, but I'm too lazy to Google a graph showing its torque curve.
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2.3 vs 2.7 vs 3.0 (diesel) vs 5.0
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I'd like to see something that is Connecticut Emission legal (some K&N air intakes aren't street legal in this crazy state) that boosts torque in the 1000 -3000 range.. the 2.3 has plenty of power above 3000, it needs some torque below it.
Stock ranger has about 150lbft at 2250rpm (after turbo kicks in) then it’s pretty linear up to 310lbft at 3000rpm. ( hence why if you want the ECO Don’t get Into the boost at 2250)
 
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Ford Bronco Ford Performance Offering a Tune for the 2.3 Ranger 1587172990742

2.3 vs 2.7 vs 3.0 (diesel) vs 5.0
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Thanks to you for posting it and @FirstOnRaceDay for putting it together.

It looks like the 2000-3000 RPM torque numbers are fine. It's the idle to 2000 RPM torque numbers that aren't necessarily all that great.
 

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Thanks to you for posting it and @FirstOnRaceDay for putting it together.

It looks like the 2000-3000 RPM torque numbers are fine. It's the idle to 2000 RPM torque numbers that aren't necessarily all that great.
Idle speeds are like 600-1000 RPM. You get much horsepower at 1500 RPM, it's going to be a handful to drive at low speeds and get awful mileage.
 
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Thanks to you for posting it and @FirstOnRaceDay for putting it together.

It looks like the 2000-3000 RPM torque numbers are fine. It's the idle to 2000 RPM torque numbers that aren't necessarily all that great.
the idea is that below 2000rpm is for “economy” driving. So you get decent mpg. They don’t want all that boost below that. BUT that’s what the low gearing on the bronco will be for. Keep those revs up for fun!
 

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Idle speeds are like 600-1000 RPM. You get much horsepower at 1500 RPM, it's going to be a handful to drive at low speeds and get awful mileage.
the idea is that below 2000rpm is for “economy” driving. So you get decent mpg. They don’t want all that boost below that. BUT that’s what the low gearing on the bronco will be for. Keep those revs up for fun!

I haven't done as much offroading as I'd like, but last I checked, a lot of offroading was done at low speeds, just off idle in many cases. Don't we want high torque at low RPM?
 

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I haven't done as much offroading as I'd like, but last I checked, a lot of offroading was done at low speeds, just off idle in many cases. Don't we want high torque at low RPM?

Gearing is a lot, and if your a manual guy it looks like it's getting a granny gear so it wont take much to get to 2000 RPM. If auto the convertor has stall to help out a little till the turbo "lites" .

Torque IS a good thing but when slow off roading or crawling if you will its more important to have the crawl ratio correct. Having 700 ft. lbs. might make up for not having enough gear but you can have 100 ft. lbs. and a good crawl ratio and you can go just about anywhere.


https://www.crawlpedia.com/calculators.htm

here is a site with a lot of good info and calculators to used in figuring out combos before trying them or to use to compare one to another. hit home and you can get all the info on suspension
 
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I haven't done as much offroading as I'd like, but last I checked, a lot of offroading was done at low speeds, just off idle in many cases. Don't we want high torque at low RPM?
that’s the idea of a low gear and crawler first gear (like it sounds like the bronco will have)

Transfer case should be close to 4:1 (ranger is 2.7:1) then first gear will be
4.7:1 in the auto and 5.5+:1 in the manual.
couple that with a 4.1:1 rear end.

that’s a potential 75-96:1 Drive shaft to axel ratio.

so at 75:1
2250rpm / 75 = 30 tire RPM. Or 0.5 per second
34.4” tire has a 108.1” circumference. Or 9’.
so 4.5’ per second or 3mph!

96:1 would be closer to 2.3mph!

that also means 30,000- 40,000LBFT depending on the combo.
 

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that’s the idea of a low gear and crawler first gear (like it sounds like the bronco will have)

Transfer case should be close to 4:1 (ranger is 2.7:1) then first gear will be
4.7:1 in the auto and 5.5+:1 in the manual.
couple that with a 4.1:1 rear end.

that’s a potential 75-96:1 Drive shaft to axel ratio.

so at 75:1
2250rpm / 75 = 30 tire RPM. Or 0.5 per second
34.4” tire has a 108.1” circumference. Or 9’.
so 4.5’ per second or 3mph!

96:1 would be closer to 2.3mph!

that also means 30,000- 40,000LBFT depending on the combo.

(y) (y) Let's hope it's gets a low transfer case seeing how the competition is using it now. It was always aftermarket to get the low transfer case. I wasn't sure how low the gearing was on the new transmissions.
 

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Gearing is a lot, and if your a manual guy it looks like it's getting a granny gear so it wont take much to get to 2000 RPM. If auto the convertor has stall to help out a little till the turbo "lites" .

Torque IS a good thing but when slow off roading or crawling if you will its more important to have the crawl ratio correct. Having 700 ft. lbs. might make up for not having enough gear but you can have 100 ft. lbs. and a good crawl ratio and you can go just about anywhere.


https://www.crawlpedia.com/calculators.htm

here is a site with a lot of good info and calculators to used in figuring out combos before trying them or to use to compare one to another. hit home and you can get all the info on suspension
that’s the idea of a low gear and crawler first gear (like it sounds like the bronco will have)

Transfer case should be close to 4:1 (ranger is 2.7:1) then first gear will be
4.7:1 in the auto and 5.5+:1 in the manual.
couple that with a 4.1:1 rear end.

that’s a potential 75-96:1 Drive shaft to axel ratio.

so at 75:1
2250rpm / 75 = 30 tire RPM. Or 0.5 per second
34.4” tire has a 108.1” circumference. Or 9’.
so 4.5’ per second or 3mph!

96:1 would be closer to 2.3mph!

that also means 30,000- 40,000LBFT depending on the combo.
OK, that all makes sense, and I learned a thing. Thanks!
 

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(y) (y) Let's hope it's gets a low transfer case seeing how the competition is using it now. It was always aftermarket to get the low transfer case. I wasn't sure how low the gearing was on the new transmissions.
I think I got pretty close.
and that’s for a FX4/ raptor trim. Anything less will definitely be closer to the ranger. 2.7
 

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Gearing is a lot, and if your a manual guy it looks like it's getting a granny gear so it wont take much to get to 2000 RPM. If auto the convertor has stall to help out a little till the turbo "lites" .

Torque IS a good thing but when slow off roading or crawling if you will its more important to have the crawl ratio correct. Having 700 ft. lbs. might make up for not having enough gear but you can have 100 ft. lbs. and a good crawl ratio and you can go just about anywhere.


https://www.crawlpedia.com/calculators.htm

here is a site with a lot of good info and calculators to used in figuring out combos before trying them or to use to compare one to another. hit home and you can get all the info on suspension
If you have traction. If you don't, and being in Pa, you know, sometimes you need that hard hitting bump followed by some power to get wheel speed up quickly, which means, not 400:1.

Auto will help, but if you are stuck in super low low on a manual, you'll be at 5000 RPM and super low wheel speed, which doesn't do it many times. Even with an auto, the completely non-linear small turbo motor is going to be tough to regulate when you need that hard hitting bump in conjunction with some quick wheel speed.

I think the 2.7 would be the absolute minimum that might get me there, but even that is "very slow", next to a big V-8, to get the almost instant torque AND wheel speed that I'm used to, at the same time. I'm only 36:1 on 43's and its fine, due to a 400 set up for very low end.

Maybe at some point they might put a DCT in one of these that can spool up the gnien before you even move, then kind of dump the "clucthes" @ a higher RPM, possibly even a higher gear than first to emulate the old big V-8 with less gearing as close as possible.
 

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As an example where gearing and low wheel speed were not going to do it.
The "very common" :):p example of driving down in
the hole left, after tearing out your in-ground swimming pool......

Old crappy vid, best viewed @ 1/4 screen, or less.
http://luxjo.supermotors.net/POOL/WHEELIN/MOV02447.MPG
 

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