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This class of pathogen doesn't last that long on surfaces or in the air anyway.
It does depend on the type of surface. Porous surfaces (cloth, paper, cardboard, etc.) don't hold the virus as long as non-porous surfaces (plastic, glass, metal).

Allegedly, porous surfaces can hold the virus for 2-3 days, tops. Non porous surfaces are more like 7-9 days.
 

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Aparently there is a place there that isis the same logo (but blue)..... the conspiracies are starting!

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Definitely believable

Also, off topic, anyone play the RE3 demo yet?
 

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What are your qualifications for making this statement?
Look up the amount of people that died from swine flu in the US and then check out the numbers from Corona. It’s not hard.
 

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Per CDC article posted today "Globally, approximately 170,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) have been reported, including an estimated 7,000 deaths in approximately 150 countries (1)."
 

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No question that the economic consequences of containment and mitigation measures will be severe, but the consequences of letting it spread unchecked are potentially far worse (certainly from a humanitarian standpoint, and probably from an economic standpoint as well).

H1N1pdm09- Estimated 60.8 million cases, 274,00 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths (0.02% case fatality rate) in the US from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010. Intrusive response measures weren't implemented due to the existence of functional vaccines at pandemic start, the presence of herd immunity to H1N1 family of viruses, and similar transmission and fatality rates to other flu strains (despite a disproportionately high fatality rate in children and young adults). Healthcare infrastructure was not overwhelmed and the virus continues to persist alongside other common strains of the flu without representing a significant threat to the population.

2019-nCoV- current reporting shows 219,332 cases and 8,969 deaths (4.1% case fatality rate) worldwide. The US is at 9,458 cases and 155 deaths (1.6% case fatality rate) and this is widely considered to be vastly under-reported due to lack of testing. The US is still in the logarithmic growth phase of the pandemic, no vaccine or herd immunity exists, the long incubation period and asymptomatic spread make it necessary to implement significant restrictions on movement and social interaction, and we're weeks if not months behind the curve on testing and mitigation measures - if left unchecked, most experts project up to 70% of the population could be infected and over 2 million could die over the course of the next 18 months.

Claiming this is nothing compared to swine flu is completely baseless. Here's a relatively good comparison between the two if you're interested in developing a more informed position:

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-pandemic-vs-swine-flu.html

If we're lucky and restrictions on movement are effective, deaths will remain in the thousands and you can continue to believe swine flu was worse.
 

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I have family that could be impacted pretty badly by Covid-19. The only thing I will say about this is if one of my loved ones especially my little girl gets sick and dies, because of the "its just a flu, fake news" tin-foil-hatters. Then, I won't have to worry about the Bronco debut, because I will be in god damn prison for the rest of my life.
Are you gonna go all John Wick on the entire world? If you do, you will kill the majority of doctors and nurses who see this in a very different fashion than it is portrayed in the media. Media is all about hype, worst case scenarios, getting viewers attention. The majority of this is FAKE news. The virus? Oh that's real, and PRECAUTIONS should be taken seriously. People acting like the zombie apocalypse is coming just adds to the media fire, the reportable news, the juicy stuff. People act like the virus just rips you from limb to limb, that's not the case. Wanna know how many people we are actually testing? Almost none, only those with serious complications. Think the mortality rate is a bit skewed? Yep! All these "corona screening" tents that are set up, they DO NOT test you. Those are only there because there is SO MANY people rushing to the ER at the sign of a cough or fever. The reality is we are actually asking people to NOT come in, because it is NOT a high mortality rate. I'll take my tin hat off but relax, more people will die from suicide after the economy tanks than from the virus itself. -BOR
 

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Those numbers aren't accurate, please stop posting this. The CDC estimates over 60M cases and 284,000 deaths occurred in the US from April 2009 to April 2010, but this was an extrapolation based on less than 20,000 laboratory-confirmed case fatalities. The estimated case fatality rate is around 0.02% (calculated at 0.026% in England).

The greatest concern with H1N1 was not that it had a significantly higher case fatality rate than more common flu strains (it didn't/doesn't), but that it predominantly killed children and young adults who otherwise wouldn't succumb to the flu.

TL/DR - you're wrong and you should rethink posting uninformed opinions and non-factual data on public forums.
 

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The US is at 9,458 cases and 155 deaths (1.6% case fatality rate) and this is widely considered to be vastly under-reported due to lack of testing. The US is still in the logarithmic growth phase of the pandemic,
That's a really key part right there. The EXTREME amount of under testing. Only the very sick, often hospitalized patients will receive a test. This makes for extremely skewed results. Most people with suffer a mild respiratory infection and the world keeps turning. OR this is a plague from the Bible, which quite frankly wouldn't surprise me either. Anyways I'm stoked to eventually see the Bronco released... whenever that is... lol cheers y'all! 😬
 

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Things have changed since January 31st
Still the same though

What they don't tell you is that the deaths are basically seasoned citizens and half of them have underlying health issues to begin with.
 

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Those numbers aren't accurate, please stop posting this. The CDC estimates over 60M cases and 284,000 deaths occurred in the US from April 2009 to April 2010, but this was an extrapolation based on less than 20,000 laboratory-confirmed case fatalities. The estimated case fatality rate is around 0.02% (calculated at 0.026% in England).

The greatest concern with H1N1 was not that it had a significantly higher case fatality rate than more common flu strains (it didn't/doesn't), but that it predominantly killed children and young adults who otherwise wouldn't succumb to the flu.

TL/DR - you're wrong and you should rethink posting uninformed opinions and non-factual data on public forums.
Can I see a link please?
 

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Are you gonna go all John Wick on the entire world? If you do, you will kill the majority of doctors and nurses who see this in a very different fashion than it is portrayed in the media. Media is all about hype, worst case scenarios, getting viewers attention. The majority of this is FAKE news. The virus? Oh that's real, and PRECAUTIONS should be taken seriously. People acting like the zombie apocalypse is coming just adds to the media fire, the reportable news, the juicy stuff. People act like the virus just rips you from limb to limb, that's not the case. Wanna know how many people we are actually testing? Almost none, only those with serious complications. Think the mortality rate is a bit skewed? Yep! All these "corona screening" tents that are set up, they DO NOT test you. Those are only there because there is SO MANY people rushing to the ER at the sign of a cough or fever. The reality is we are actually asking people to NOT come in, because it is NOT a high mortality rate. I'll take my tin hat off but relax, more people will die from suicide after the economy tanks than from the virus itself. -BOR
Feel how you want but you are not a doctor, scientist, or otherwise qualified expert on infectious diseases. Those that are, are sufficiently concerned to push for the steps currently being taken.

Of course idiots will and react like idiots and panic making make things worse. Unfortunately, people need to be convinced that ceasing social interaction and staying home is necessary or they won't do it. Claiming "fake news" and questioning the seriousness of the situation just because the virus doesn't present a significant risk to younger demographics is unhelpful.
 

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