Getrag Transmission: German or Chinese?

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After owning an automatic 2012 Focus, I'm never buying an automatic from Ford again. My manual Fiesta ST has given me no issues. Sure there's a lot of awful manufacturing in China but they have high quality manufacturing too. I'll take my chances with the manual. I would feel really dumb if I got another faulty automatic from Ford. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...
Focus was and is a POS transmission,no where near the quality to compare of the new 10 speed AT.





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You are so incredibly wrong.

I have it on very good authority (yelled at many times in these forums) that the automatic is better for off-road and on-road. It has no weak points and will make driving Bronco more engaging and fun.

I also have it on very good authority (yelled at many times in these forums), that the manual transmission is dead and serves no point because cars are faster with dual clutch automatics and also better in traffic.

Therefore I must regurgitate that opinion to you now so you can be informed.

Full disclosure: I will be ordering a 2.3/MT Bronco and am so friken excited that the 2.3 is being offered as an engine choice, and pairing it with a proper 3-pedal transmission is a dream come true after dealing with the numb, dull, confused automatic in the Ranger (which will be used, unchanged, in Bronco). Even if the MT was offered on the 2.7, i'd take the 2.3 and cost savings to put elsewhere in the build. Really don't think a stock Bronco "needs" the HP/TQ put out by the 2.7 considering the weight and packaging constraints.
I keep going back and forth for three reasons.
In ever increasing prices:

The 7M has the crawler gear built in.

The Automatics are easier to control finely on rocks. And Arizona is almost nothing but rock trails. you gotta look to find mud.

The 2.7L is the equivalent of big block power.
I can't remember anyone with a BB engine, 2.73 TC and 3.73 gears bitching about it not muscling over everything.


Dunno which yet.
 

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This is an incredibly complex topic where most of the forum is trying to simplify and answer. But you can't do that.

Not all Chinese products are terrible, and frankly "Chinese-made" is a large part of American infrastructure and consumer sectors whether we like it or not. Sure I'd prefer American made out of my patriotic care, and their quality control standards are not uniform like others.

People on both sides of the fence can go back and forth all they want, and both sides can reference this or that to support their opinion.

This is probably the least helpful conclusion, but we won't know until tens of thousands of people beta test this thing.

At the end of the day, if you care if this is a quality product, you need to wait until it hits the market. I just don't see any value in arguing the overall integrity of Chinese products. It's hit or miss (not unlike any other country, just to differing degrees).

PS, like my Bronco drawing in the sticker giveaway. It took me an entire 3 minutes in Microsoft Paint.
 

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You are so incredibly wrong.

I have it on very good authority (yelled at many times in these forums) that the automatic is better for off-road and on-road. It has no weak points and will make driving Bronco more engaging and fun.

I also have it on very good authority (yelled at many times in these forums), that the manual transmission is dead and serves no point because cars are faster with dual clutch automatics and also better in traffic.

Therefore I must regurgitate that opinion to you now so you can be informed.

Full disclosure: I will be ordering a 2.3/MT Bronco and am so friken excited that the 2.3 is being offered as an engine choice, and pairing it with a proper 3-pedal transmission is a dream come true after dealing with the numb, dull, confused automatic in the Ranger (which will be used, unchanged, in Bronco). Even if the MT was offered on the 2.7, i'd take the 2.3 and cost savings to put elsewhere in the build. Really don't think a stock Bronco "needs" the HP/TQ put out by the 2.7 considering the weight and packaging constraints.
Yeah, I’m super psyched to get the 2.3L and three pedals, too. I agree that it’s a terrific sounding combination that’s offered in a 5 person convertible top ess-yew-vee that also happens to look amazing 😍

Do you think if I turn off the nannies and I’m willing to be a little rough with it that I could potentially duplicate the one pedal turning the autos get? 🙃
 

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After seeing what 1st gen mini owners went through I would trust a mt made in China before one made in the UK. Just sayin. So lets say its not made in China but not in North America, Japan, or Europe, where would give you the most confidence, and where the least?
former 1st gen mini cooper owner here:
are you referring to the crappy CVT in the non-S's?

the GETRAG 6 speed stick shift was a great transmission (no issues other than when the dealer contaminated the clutch with oil during a required TSB)
 

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I have a Royal Enfield motorcycle with a 4 speed right hand shift box on it. It was made in India, I went to rebuild the box about 9 years ago in addition to replacing the roller bearings in the crankcase. After doing research I had to be very careful about sourcing my replacement bearings. You can not just go out and buy them from a low bidder because Chinese counterfeit bearings are a thing. I had to pay more just to ensure chain of custody because fake crap flooding the market at the time.

Those same chinese bearings undercut North American producers and make it harder for them to stay in business, you can lower your price if you exploit your labor.
 
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My dad was a machinist for 27yrs. His tools were all either; Mitotoyo, Sunnen, Helios, and/or Starrett. I never saw a single tool he had that was made in China. They either had; USA, Germany, or Japan stamped on them. So I asked him why? His response was, “...precision.”
 

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Full disclosure: I will be ordering a 2.3/MT Bronco and am so friken excited that the 2.3 is being offered as an engine choice, and pairing it with a proper 3-pedal transmission is a dream come true after dealing with the numb, dull, confused automatic in the Ranger (which will be used, unchanged, in Bronco). Even if the MT was offered on the 2.7, i'd take the 2.3 and cost savings to put elsewhere in the build. Really don't think a stock Bronco "needs" the HP/TQ put out by the 2.7 considering the weight and packaging constraints.
Get out of my head!

In the event there is a Bronco display in the Seattle area in the next few months, I hope to see you there.
 

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former 1st gen mini cooper owner here:
are you referring to the crappy CVT in the non-S's?

the GETRAG 6 speed stick shift was a great transmission (no issues other than when the dealer contaminated the clutch with oil during a required TSB)
I think that was the same trans that was used in the SVT Focus, and I loved how that one shifted.
 

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Can you provide an example? I'm naive to how warranties work in these situations, having never owned a new vehicle before
Example of what? A denied warranty claim or how the manufacturer will t try to deny the claim?
All the dealer has to do is say there is a “sign of abuse” which could be as basic as scratches on the trans indicating off-roading. More than likely the cheap components will show signs of wear due to quality outside of the customers control.
 

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Get out of my head!

In the event there is a Bronco display in the Seattle area in the next few months, I hope to see you there.
There was a pre-release Ranger event at Quest Field and that event was where the GF put money down on a Ranger..... After 5 years of lusting for a Tacoma.

If they have an event where we can see/feel/enter a Bronco in-state then i'm down for the drive and will bring a cooler of microbrews for the after-event (which we forum members will be organizing!) to do a beer-exchange and talk about what we saw. If forum members aren't the beer types, then no harm and no foul, those with beer proclivities will do the exchange and do a socially responsible meet-up so everybody can get together and say hi in person.

Hopefully at some point a few lucky folks will get to do an actual drive and report back with their findings on the MT!
 

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This is an incredibly complex topic where most of the forum is trying to simplify and answer. But you can't do that.

Not all Chinese products are terrible, and frankly "Chinese-made" is a large part of American infrastructure and consumer sectors whether we like it or not. Sure I'd prefer American made out of my patriotic care, and their quality control standards are not uniform like others.

People on both sides of the fence can go back and forth all they want, and both sides can reference this or that to support their opinion.

This is probably the least helpful conclusion, but we won't know until tens of thousands of people beta test this thing.

At the end of the day, if you care if this is a quality product, you need to wait until it hits the market. I just don't see any value in arguing the overall integrity of Chinese products. It's hit or miss (not unlike any other country, just to differing degrees).

PS, like my Bronco drawing in the sticker giveaway. It took me an entire 3 minutes in Microsoft Paint.
Wholeheartedly agree. There is some complete dogshit Chinese products, and there are some Chinese products that are among the best. I’m probably going to get dog piled on for this, but look at harbor freight tools. They’re all made in China, some are junk, and some are incredible. I have one of their high-end socket sets and it is great. I also have one of their low end socket sets and it’s not worth it’s weight in scrap. China can design stuff to fight a price point and quality level but the oversight has to be there.

Personally, for me? I’m going to bet that Getrag is pretty damn meticulous about their QC and that the 7 speed will be built right. But I also don’t think the mustang transmission debacle is all it’s cracked up to be so YMMV.
 

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Please correct where wrong, but I thought that Getrag manufactured the housings, gears and parts domestically (US/Mexico/Canada) and assembly was done in China?

China has made great strides with metal quality and casting efficiency over the past decade, but at the price of quality steel you're still buying American. A client works exclusively with construction grade steel and they buy from all over the world, sharing that Vietnam is actually producing steel which is equivalent quality to American steel for 20% less. This is a raw material though, not casting, forging and milling from it.

Our Ranger listed it as almost exclusively American content, except the Engine was assembled in Mexico from US made components. (can't find the pic we took of that label at delivery)
Well if they do that can they ship all those parts to my house and I can assemble them and box up my trans and ups it to map w/my vin on the box?
former 1st gen mini cooper owner here:
are you referring to the crappy CVT in the non-S's?

the GETRAG 6 speed stick shift was a great transmission (no issues other than when the dealer contaminated the clutch with oil during a required TSB)
5spd midlands. If you had one you would know. I was told the 6spd was a zf. The problem w/midlands was not so much bad design (although it most definitely was) the entire thing was proprietary. When it went bad (and they all did) your options were to buy a brand new midlands for more than the car was worth, find a wrecked 6spd car and cannibalize it, (a few did this), or junk it (most did this). I will admit I have a negative attitude towards European vehicles...but my opinion has been formed over time. Mini has reinforced that negative attitude exponentially!
 

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I am surprised they didn’t work with NV, Tremec, or any US transmission maker. not only higher quality products, but put some of our fellow Americans back to work.

This will be the edge the Wrangler will have on the Bronco I think.
If i recall the 6 speed in the wrangler JK has had a decent amount of issues. I know mine had to be fixed twice for recalls. Not sure about the current JL transmission.
 

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