Every set of coopers we have had for daily driving and every now and then off-road have been great. We usually go with Discoverer AT3s or STTs
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I appreciate all the responses. From most of my research this weekend (from truck/off-road forums to professional reviews), it seems feedback is about 3:1 on the K02's being fine in the rain versus not great in the rain. And this of course has many of its own variables, from the slippery experience being on oily roads after a fresh rain to overinflated tires.... so who knows.
Ironically, if you take any of the other tires that were mentioned in the thread here and do a google search for "[tire name] in rain" you will find posts/reviews of people saying the rain traction is great, and others saying it sucks. I don't get the impression there's any magic bullet.
In summary, who knows... The K02's are about $70 less per tire than the Nitto's, $90 less than the Falkens, and $50 less than the Toyo open country's per tire. I honestly just don't think I've read anything that convinces me any of the other options are significantly better than the K02's in rain, especially for another $250-$500 for a set. I think it may be more important to focus on appropriate tire inflation and break-in than there being any A/T tire that won't have the occasional slippage issue in wet conditions. I think I'm back where I started and the lesson is don't overinflate and don't drive like a potato.
This was interesting: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/surv...width=35X&ratio=12.5&diameter=17&cameFrom=TSR
Anyone have experience with General Grabbers or Yoko Geolanders? Getting good vibes on the Geolanders. May be a nice middle ground on price and better wet traction rating than the K02's.
Ironically, if you take any of the other tires that were mentioned in the thread here and do a google search for "[tire name] in rain" you will find posts/reviews of people saying the rain traction is great, and others saying it sucks. I don't get the impression there's any magic bullet.
In summary, who knows... The K02's are about $70 less per tire than the Nitto's, $90 less than the Falkens, and $50 less than the Toyo open country's per tire. I honestly just don't think I've read anything that convinces me any of the other options are significantly better than the K02's in rain, especially for another $250-$500 for a set. I think it may be more important to focus on appropriate tire inflation and break-in than there being any A/T tire that won't have the occasional slippage issue in wet conditions. I think I'm back where I started and the lesson is don't overinflate and don't drive like a potato.
This was interesting: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/surv...width=35X&ratio=12.5&diameter=17&cameFrom=TSR
Anyone have experience with General Grabbers or Yoko Geolanders? Getting good vibes on the Geolanders. May be a nice middle ground on price and better wet traction rating than the K02's.
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KO2's on my Raptor (in Oregon). The first 20k-25k are actually pretty good in the rain. Fresh snow they are good. Packed snow, no good at all. Now at 30k they are getting a little slick in the rain (on ramps) but not bad.
For straight up street driving - sure. But the Wrangler Tires you are referencing are known for having really thin sidewalls.
Depending on wheel choice it can almost even out. I went 17x8.5 aftermarket wheels on our '22 BB 2dr with 315/70/17 Nitto Terra Grappler G2's and the wheel / tire combo weighs less than 5lbs more than the Sasquatch setup.
Is there a reason you're tied to 35x12.5x17 instead of 315/70/17?
Height and width vary by manufacturer anyway.
These are the Nitto Terra Grappler G2s with the specs
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I guess a person has to prioritize on where they drive the most and compromise as needed.
Yes, going with a lighter wheels will help a bit but the main factor in rotational weight in more of a product of the placement of the weight further from the axle. Heavier tires zap road performance.
I’m not questioning your choice. Sounds like a good pick for your needs.
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My wheels are spec'd for 35x12.5x17 (VenomRex 601BL). So I've been going by that. But I certainly understand tires can be stretched, etc to fit a variety of specs.Is there a reason you're tied to 35x12.5x17 instead of 315/70/17?
Height and width vary by manufacturer anyway.
These are the Nitto Terra Grappler G2s with the specs
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I had KO2's on my Wrangler and I loved them. Looked meaty, were fairly quiet and performed great in the rain and the snow.
It's not stretch I referred to. The specs I posted are just the tire. It varies my manufacturer and tire model.
Any wheel spec'd for 35x12.5x17 will absolutely work with 315/70/17. On the Nitto's I posted, the recommended wheel widths are 8-10" for BOTH 35x12.5x17 and 315/70/17.
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BFG KO2s are smooth, quite and have there place. I will stick by saying BFG KO2 are okay, same bracket is Nitto and Toyo. You will find people buy them more for tire life, and that is there selling point.
General AT2 is not a bad tire, I have had a few pairs and they did just as well as K02. I bought them because they were substantially cheaper, and no real difference from the original.
My last set of Nitto AWT rank worse than the $500 set off brand Pathfinder At. Triple peak rated disappointment, poor life and rock hard.
Lets just say when you work remote mine sites and need tires you end up with lots of different combinations to compare. Tires don't wear out they get shredded. Its also a cost thing, so I would throw crap tires on to get the truck to the end of the job as it was an internal loaner. Some times you win, some times you lose(time and money). At least no one is pushing bridgestone duelers anymore...
General AT2 is not a bad tire, I have had a few pairs and they did just as well as K02. I bought them because they were substantially cheaper, and no real difference from the original.
My last set of Nitto AWT rank worse than the $500 set off brand Pathfinder At. Triple peak rated disappointment, poor life and rock hard.
Lets just say when you work remote mine sites and need tires you end up with lots of different combinations to compare. Tires don't wear out they get shredded. Its also a cost thing, so I would throw crap tires on to get the truck to the end of the job as it was an internal loaner. Some times you win, some times you lose(time and money). At least no one is pushing bridgestone duelers anymore...
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That's quite the boast. I've run that route in my M3 flat out. If they held up on that stretch with no slips, that's saying something for sure.
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Here's where I'm at with more research in no particular order:
-Yokohoma Geolander G015 ($335)
-BFG K02's ($355)
-General Grabber ($375)
-Toyo Open Country ATIII ($405)
-Falken Wildpeak ($423)
-Yokohoma Geolander G015 ($335)
-BFG K02's ($355)
-General Grabber ($375)
-Toyo Open Country ATIII ($405)
-Falken Wildpeak ($423)
I am really liking the BF KO2 on my first edition sasquatch. Very smooth and comfortable. Amazing in heavy rain without hydroplaning or skidding. They are much better than the Goodyear territory tires that came with the Bronco. The noise is less over the Goodyears and much more composed. The tires balanced so well without much balancing weights and they all had extremely low road force numbers. I highly recommend them.
FWIW, last month I paid $338 each plus install for my 315/70/17 Wildpeaks AT3s. They come highly recommended here in MN for their snow traction and relatively quiet manners on road.
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Lookin good! These tire prices are insane right now!FWIW, last month I paid $338 each plus install for my 315/70/17 Wildpeaks AT3s. They come highly recommended here in MN for their snow traction and relatively quiet manners on road.
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