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I thought all the rock crawler guys said you can’t use a winch in that spot because of rock crawling

Does KOH have rocks?

we don’t where I live so the winch there works in the woods.
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Portal hubs seems like pushing the rules a bit. They are pretty open but you are adding more gear where the factory did not have it. Always was under the impression you can add heavier duty axles and new suspension but cannot change things from the factory configuration.
 

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I thought all the rock crawler guys said you can’t use a winch in that spot because of rock crawling

Does KOH have rocks?

we don’t where I live so the winch there works in the woods.

What you don't want is the winch out in the front. It ruins the approach angle. If you have seen the light Brite video with the broncbuster, he scrapes the bumpers every time he goes down the steep rocks.

With it mounted low and "inside" it maintains a good approach angle and low in the chassis for a better center of gravity.
 

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What you don't want is the winch out in the front. It ruins the approach angle. If you have seen the light Brite video with the broncbuster, he scrapes the bumpers every time he goes down the steep rocks.

With it mounted low and "inside" it maintains a good approach angle and low in the chassis for a better center of gravity.
I like it hidden and will hide mine there even if I make my own mount.

I just thought everyone on here that rock crawls way more than me said it was junk to put it there
 

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I like it hidden and will hide mine there even if I make my own mount.

I just thought everyone on here that rock crawls way more than me said it was junk to put it there

I trail ride and my trails have rocks and in some places they are big rocks. I have the same idea. I planned all along to mount my winch there even if noone else did.

The skid plate will offer it protection and it is tucked out of the way as to not hinder the Bronc.

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Portal hubs seems like pushing the rules a bit. They are pretty open but you are adding more gear where the factory did not have it. Always was under the impression you can add heavier duty axles and new suspension but cannot change things from the factory configuration.
From what I understand, the 4600 Broncos are homologation specials so while different from the average Bronco on the street, they still meet the definition of factory stock.
 

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We did tech inspections on the three 4600 Broncos yesterday at KOH. Brad Lovell's, Loren Healy's, and Bailey Cole's. I was working on getting Sunday's desert race going and finishing tech on the trophy trucks, spec trophy trucks, and class 1 buggies and missed when Brad Lovell's Bronco came through tech, but was there for Loren's and Bailey's.

Some here had asked for pics of the winch mount, so I took some of that. These trucks were designed by Ford Motorsports and then built by Geiser Bros. They have 74 Weld portals on the front IFS with custom A arms, and Dynatrac Dana 60's in the rear. The front diff is the stock M210 and the steering is full Howe trophy truck rack and pinion. The engineer that was there said the engine had to be raised slightly to allow room to fit the winch with the trophy truck steering rack. They are using the stock 2.7 engine and the 10 spd auto trans, but the transfer case is an Atlas II.

There are three great drivers who will be racing each other and the rest of the field on Fri Feb 4th. Brad Lovell has won 9 class championships in different categories and was DirtSports Driver of the Year in 2012. Loren Healy is a two time King of the Hammers winner and series National Champion, and Bailey Cole is a two time Ultra4 Legends class National Champion. It should be fun to watch these three battle each other and the rest of the field in these new Broncos on Friday. King of the Hammers racing is live streamed for those interested in watching.

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Wouldn't the 4-door wheelbase be more fitting for KOH? I'm a little surprised to see the 2-doors, though they look badass :cool:

I like it hidden and will hide mine there even if I make my own mount.

I just thought everyone on here that rock crawls way more than me said it was junk to put it there
If you're planning to use it much then it surely makes it hard to keep an eye on the spool wraps and also free spool is probably not an option. I don't think I'd want it there if I did much deep mud but for general purpose insurance it'd probably be fine. I'd like to tuck mine where the intercooler sits but I'm a bit afraid of the warranty implications of moving the IC on a dirt mountain 2.7 :oops:
 

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Wouldn't the 4-door wheelbase be more fitting for KOH? I'm a little surprised to see the 2-doors, though they look badass :cool:


If you're planning to use it much then it surely makes it hard to keep an eye on the spool wraps and also free spool is probably not an option. I don't think I'd want it there if I did much deep mud but for general purpose insurance it'd probably be fine. I'd like to tuck mine where the intercooler sits but I'm a bit afraid of the warranty implications of moving the IC on a dirt mountain 2.7 :oops:
I’ve had them on all my 4x4 and 6x6

but rarely used them

good points
 

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From what I understand, the 4600 Broncos are homologation specials so while different from the average Bronco on the street, they still meet the definition of factory stock.
I hear you but I would not call portal IFSs as the same stock IFS configuration.
 

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Portal hubs seems like pushing the rules a bit. They are pretty open but you are adding more gear where the factory did not have it. Always was under the impression you can add heavier duty axles and new suspension but cannot change things from the factory configuration.
For 4600 class the axles are open, which includes the knuckles. Many of the Jeep 4600 cars have Dana 60's front and rear which includes D60 outers and knuckles. Some have Spidertrax housings and knuckles with 35 spline axles and hubs. A few years ago Jesse Haines raced a Roxor and it had his Jesse Haines portal axles that a bunch of the competition rock crawlers use. So, understand your comment about it pushing the limits, but it is totally class legal.

The class rules require the same type of suspension. So, if leaf spring it must stay leaf spring. If coils and links it must stay coils and links, so can't put coilovers on unless it came from the factory with coilovers. If it is IFS with A arms then it must stay IFS. The hard part is to maximize the type of suspension for best travel and performance without removing any of the frame and body and sheetmetal. There is a limit to 14" shocks but it's virtually impossible to actually use a 14" shock without modifying the frame or body.

On our 4600 XJ we pushed it about as far as we could. I made a dual rate coil setup in the front, using a 2" slider from 2" coilovers and two coil springs per side. Legal because it was still coil springs and links. In the rear I used a Deaver race F150/Bronco leaf spring which was 11" longer than the stock XJ springs. I could move the mounts because the frame wasn't modified, and I used a reverse boomerang shackle mounted off the rear crossmember and bumper. The biggest real challenge was getting the shocks as long as we could without modifying the floor and wheel wells.

The 4600 Broncos have the same restriction and problem mounting longer shocks since the coilover mounts are part of the frame and they can't modify the inner fenders or floor. Guaranteed they have done a ton of shock tuning to get the best speed in the desert.



Wouldn't the 4-door wheelbase be more fitting for KOH? I'm a little surprised to see the 2-doors, though they look badass :cool:
You're right in a pure desert race. King of the Hammers is about desert racing and rock racing, and there are many rock trails on the course. The shorter wheelbase and length of the 2 dr will work much better in the rocks than the longer 4 dr. The 2dr has a 100.4" wheelbase. Plenty of XJ's and 2dr Wranglers running 4600, and the XJ has a 101" wheelbase, the TJ 93", and the JK 95.4". So, the 2dr Bronco is a good combination.
 
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Thanks for the news goatman!!!!!

I heard Slawson is running EMC this year as well as the Kings race.

I'll be watching premium feed when I get off work. Has been awesome coverage so far!!!

Dave Cole puts on a great show. 👍👍
Randy is running a new Bomber car in 4800, Legends class. He's done that before. Part of his business is building a new Bomber car, racing it at KOH, and then selling it. The Bomber chassis works good for 4800 and 4400, the only real difference is single shock and 37" tires for 4800.


I thought all the rock crawler guys said you can’t use a winch in that spot because of rock crawling

Does KOH have rocks?

we don’t where I live so the winch there works in the woods.
They were able to tuck the winch up really tight, and they only use the top part of the stock bumper so it looks like the fairlead is as high as they could get it. Also, the front is able to be a bit higher and keep good suspension geometry because of the portal hubs. We'll see how it works.
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Randy is running a new Bomber car in 4800, Legends class. He's done that before. Part of his business is building a new Bomber car, racing it at KOH, and then selling it. The Bomber chassis works good for 4800 and 4400, the only real difference is single shock and 37" tires for 4800.




They were able to tuck the winch up really tight, and they only use the top part of the stock bumper so it looks like the fairlead is as high as they could get it. Also, the front is able to be a bit higher and keep good suspension geometry because of the portal hubs. We'll see how it works.
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Thank you for all the info into KoH/the bronco there. Does marlincrawler have a tent? If so they still think about making a RCLT kit for the bronco?
 

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Thank you for taking the time and posting this...very cool and I am jealous of you! Stay safe and enjoy!
 
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Thank you for all the info into KoH/the bronco there. Does marlincrawler have a tent? If so they still think about making a RCLT kit for the bronco?

MarlinCrawler has a vender booth here. I'll stop by and say hi to Marlin and Christine tomorrow and ask them. I doubt it since they only do products for Toyotas, but we'll see. Maybe Michael (Marlin's son who is running the company) has decided to expand the brand, like he did with the cool IFS kit.
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