LAST CALL: Badlands 33” vs. 35” (Pros & Cons) Worth the upgrade to 35” tires?

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33s because the Goodyear 35s that come on the Squatch shouldn't be on anybody's short list of capable tires to buy. I'm going Badlands, no squatch and if I want 35s I'll buy BFGs and put on aftermarket wheels.





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Do you mean the whole rim is not capable or the beauty rings need to be switched out for real bead locks?
Just back from our tire line where wheels an d tires get married as one and then balanced. Spoke to one of my all time great connections and was "assured that not one, not one single wheel/tire assembly rolling around on these Broncos being posted have REAL beadlocks every one of them are FAUX/FAKE after examining I can also agree as well as they look they are "not" beadlocks. and this was confirmed by the wheel vendor as well. The WARTHOG assemblies will arrive pre/assembled , and now knowing more about the "beadlock process, our highly "automated tire line wasn't designed to do beadlocks. Whether the B&P knows "more" or "less" I would say stay tuned! As for me I'm LOCKED
 

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Just back from our tire line where wheels an d tires get married as one and then balanced. Spoke to one of my all time great connections and was "assured that not one, not one single wheel/tire assembly rolling around on these Broncos being posted have REAL beadlocks every one of them are FAUX/FAKE after examining I can also agree as well as they look they are "not" beadlocks. and this was confirmed by the wheel vendor as well. The WARTHOG assemblies will arrive pre/assembled , and now knowing more about the "beadlock process, our highly "automated tire line wasn't designed to do beadlocks. Whether the B&P knows "more" or "less" I would say stay tuned! As for me I'm LOCKED
Wait - are you saying these also aren't "beadlock capable"? Or just that they lack the rings?
 

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Wait - are you saying these also aren't "beadlock capable"? Or just that they lack the rings?
From what I was told the ones mounted on these pre/production Broncos are not capable are they just the rings, I am not sure! My SUPER great connection is in "training"! With the little knowledge I know about beadlocks, it seams these on what we are seeing don't have enough bolts. Still putting processes together and this one has me curious "real" curious
 

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Interesting visual look at Squatch vs non-Squatch 2 door Badlands:

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i.e., the suspension height from the wheel to the top of the flare looks to be the same.

This lends more credence to the suspension being the same.

AND this brings up more questions about why that 4 door overland concept had so little wheel travel space ...
Remember, the wheels on the Overland concept were closer to to true 35s. Also, there is believed to be stiffer suspension with Squatch. While the amount of space in the wheel well does look very similar, @ClaviusBase makes a good point. Can't really gauge it properly from these photos.
 

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I read his follow up post as referring to the pre-production models we're seeing. Which would make sense.
 

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Just back from our tire line where wheels an d tires get married as one and then balanced. Spoke to one of my all time great connections and was "assured that not one, not one single wheel/tire assembly rolling around on these Broncos being posted have REAL beadlocks every one of them are FAUX/FAKE after examining I can also agree as well as they look they are "not" beadlocks. and this was confirmed by the wheel vendor as well. The WARTHOG assemblies will arrive pre/assembled , and now knowing more about the "beadlock process, our highly "automated tire line wasn't designed to do beadlocks. Whether the B&P knows "more" or "less" I would say stay tuned! As for me I'm LOCKED
From what I was told the ones mounted on these pre/production Broncos are not capable are they just the rings, I am not sure! My SUPER great connection is in "training"! With the little knowledge I know about beadlocks, it seams these on what we are seeing don't have enough bolts. Still putting processes together and this one has me curious "real" curious
Well, we knew, just like the Raptor, that the rings that come from the factory are faux beadlock rings. The wheels will require the Ford Performance beadlock rings to be true beadlock wheels.

We have seen photos, at least of the Sasquatch wheels, that once the beauty ring is removed, there are many more threaded holes to support the true beadlock rings.

It has always been stated that these wheels are designed to function as normal wheels from the factory, but become true beadlocks when paired with the correct rings.
 

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Posted this in a separate thread, but figured I’d share it here aswell. Found this pic of a 4dr Badlands with Squatch on FB. Might be able to help some make a decision.
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Thank you for posting this! I have searched high and low for a full-on side shot like this on Badlands
 

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Like many of you, I have gone back and forth the last few months In regards 33” or 35” on the Badlands.

It really comes down to what you individually like and I DO NOT WANT TO BE LOOKING UP TO ANY OTHER 35” Broncos. Lol

This is my 50th B-DAY present to myself and I can care less about MPG. I want a higher ride and higher clearance!!

Can’t wait!!! BE READY FOR ANYTHING!!!

What do you guys thinks? Upgrade or not????
37s.
 

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capable just means your gonna have to send them out to get beadlocks.
 

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Remember, the wheels on the Overland concept were closer to to true 35s. Also, there is believed to be stiffer suspension with Squatch. While the amount of space in the wheel well does look very similar, @ClaviusBase makes a good point. Can't really gauge it properly from these photos.
Yep - we know nothing until we can start looking at a parts system because we can't trust a bloody thing Ford is saying. Once we look at a parts list then we can compare, and then we will know what is different.

That said - the specs math says Wildtrack (incl. Squatch) has .6" more suspension height than the non-Squatch Badlands on KOs. But that assumes the painted modular top is the exact same height as the MIC top.

The diameter of the 35x12.5" tires on the overland concept is listed on tire rack as 34.5" vs. 32.8" for the Badlands KO2s (or .85" less wheel space / .85" more height).

The 315/70R17 Goodyear Duratracs (closest proxy to Territories) are listed at 34.4" - so no real difference with the KOs on that concept.

What we know is that concept was riding pretty low compared to how most Sasquatches we have seen look.

However, when we look at the two two door badlands, it appears there is more clearance for the tire on the non-Squatch, vs the Squatch, front and rear.

Thus my conclusion is there is not very much difference at all - at least for a similarly optioned manual transmission Badlands with or without Squatch. Therefore other than wheels, tires, flares and a bumpstop, I am not sure Squatch gets you anything else. If you go automatic and the "free" 4.7 gearing option is a B&P error, then that's different.

Also, if that luxed out four door overland with 2.3 MT and some accessories is any indicator, maybe adding the weight of Lux and High are not something I want to do.
 

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Just back from our tire line where wheels an d tires get married as one and then balanced. Spoke to one of my all time great connections and was "assured that not one, not one single wheel/tire assembly rolling around on these Broncos being posted have REAL beadlocks every one of them are FAUX/FAKE after examining I can also agree as well as they look they are "not" beadlocks. and this was confirmed by the wheel vendor as well. The WARTHOG assemblies will arrive pre/assembled , and now knowing more about the "beadlock process, our highly "automated tire line wasn't designed to do beadlocks. Whether the B&P knows "more" or "less" I would say stay tuned! As for me I'm LOCKED
Ok Ladies and Gentleman! FOMOCO has stated all along that the optional beadlock rims are beadlock capable! They come from factory with a beauty ring (Black, warm alloy, Carbonized gray), for the wheels that are beadlock CAPABLE, you have to purchase the beadlock rings separately from Ford Performance parts for around $180 ea or so! Other vendors have them also for the Raptor such as CJ pony parts. Im sure the reason you do not see any driving around is that I imagine like almost all beadlock wheels they are NOT D.O.T approved and are illegal to drive on because the beadlock ring needs torqued to proper specs and checked frequently to maintain proper tightness because if the beadlock ring comes off, the Tire comes off the rim! I only know of one true D.O.T compliant wheel and that was from B.A.D wheels and they have a completely different mounting system! If any of you are still confused, just YouTube F150 Raptor beadlock rings and watch how they work! Hope this clarifies this topic!
 

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Yep - we know nothing until we can start looking at a parts system because we can't trust a bloody thing Ford is saying. Once we look at a parts list then we can compare, and then we will know what is different.

That said - the specs math says Wildtrack (incl. Squatch) has .6" more suspension height than the non-Squatch Badlands on KOs. But that assumes the painted modular top is the exact same height as the MIC top.

The diameter of the 35x12.5" tires on the overland concept is listed on tire rack as 34.5" vs. 32.8" for the Badlands KO2s (or .85" less wheel space / .85" more height).

The 315/70R17 Goodyear Duratracs (closest proxy to Territories) are listed at 34.4" - so no real difference with the KOs on that concept.

What we know is that concept was riding pretty low compared to how most Sasquatches we have seen look.

However, when we look at the two two door badlands, it appears there is more clearance for the tire on the non-Squatch, vs the Squatch, front and rear.

Thus my conclusion is there is not very much difference at all - at least for a similarly optioned manual transmission Badlands with or without Squatch. Therefore other than wheels, tires, flares and a bumpstop, I am not sure Squatch gets you anything else. If you go automatic and the "free" 4.7 gearing option is a B&P error, then that's different.

Also, if that luxed out four door overland with 2.3 MT and some accessories is any indicator, maybe adding the weight of Lux and High are not something I want to do.

Just like most of the other concepts, the Overland concept added to the confusion. Prior to its unveiling, I believe we all thought the only thing the Sasquatch package added to the BL was the 35" wheel/tire combo. The pre-production non-sas examples seem to appear to include the "high lift".....which I am hoping for.

While I commend Ford for making good on the long awaited resurrection of the Bronco brand....this rollout has been a complete cluster. Ford has made many available mistakes that have me seriously questioning a year one purchase.
 

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