Likely no pricing until late October and a good portion of the dealerships aren't apparent Granger Ford quality....Just a Hunch...

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I am going to guess that Ford isn't going to release a Build and Price tool until after the October Bronco Super Celebration East event.

There has been a fair amount of people chatting about and trying to get dealerships competitive against each other and it seems many are upset. They aren't happy about smart buyers and our ability to communicate. I am assuming a benefit that big wigs at dealerships may or may not be pushing for is to hold out on a Build and Price tool until after or Just before the deadline of when we can change dealerships so we are stuck with the higher prices many want to push.

I have been banned from a local dealerships Private face book group, Larry H Miller Ford Draper in Utah. This occurred after I was trying to encourage a more competitive market and speaking to other group members on how to do that. Some of which was with sharing posts from Granger Ford from this forum, or exploring options about neighbor states that have generally lower prices only hours away. Needless to say the money leeches didn't appreciate that and have sent me packing from their group.

After reading many forums and threads on here, I believe there is a good amount of people that seem not strapped for cash and don't have a need to be thrifty with their money and could care less about this issue. If that's you just move on from commenting about how we poor folk just need to suck it up. For those of us that aren't as well established in that regard we need to be looking out best we can.

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How does releasing the prices later do anything? The good dealers have already said what they will do based on MSRP, invoice, X-plan, etc. So how does knowing the exact price change anything? If your dealer is giving you the runaround now, knowing the exact price won't change anything, will it? Those who have said $1000 below invoice, or MSRP or whatever will still be $1000 below, won't it?
 

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How does releasing the prices later do anything? The good dealers have already said what they will do based on MSRP, invoice, X-plan, etc. So how does knowing the exact price change anything? If your dealer is giving you the runaround now, knowing the exact price won't change anything, will it? Those who have said $1000 below invoice, or MSRP or whatever will still be $1000 below, won't it?
It gives the dealers an excuse not to publish or communicate any of their pricing. If they can hold that out long enough until the deadline to switch dealers expires, they can essentially trap the individual into paying their price or walking...

It's a reason for ambiguity in hopes that the customer will not switch in time...
 

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It gives the dealers an excuse not to publish or communicate any of their pricing. If they can hold that out long enough until the deadline to switch dealers expires, they can essentially trap the individual into paying their price or walking...

It's a reason for ambiguity in hopes that the customer will not switch in time...

Again, what changes? If they won't commit to a price now, how does the B&P change that? You already know they won't commit to a price. If your dealer is trying to screw you now, the B&P won't change that and if your dealer has committed to X amount below MSRP or invoice, the B&P won't change that either.

Staying with or leaving a bad dealer is not based on the release of the B&P. You already know what quite a few are offering. If your dealer isn't and you want that deal, switch. You don't actually place the order until December (or later). When the B&P tool is released isn't going to make anyone commit to a price structure that doesn't want to.
 

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When is the last day we can switch? We have good info here on the forums about which dealers are honoring Xplan and are some what informed to really informed. To me the problem is I’m on the hype train and want a bronco already! Maybe ford released all these teasers a little too early. But it gives others time to save?
 

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Again, what changes? If they won't commit to a price now, how does the B&P change that? You already know they won't commit to a price. If your dealer is trying to screw you now, the B&P won't change that and if your dealer has committed to X amount below MSRP or invoice, the B&P won't change that either.

Staying with or leaving a bad dealer is not based on the release of the B&P. You already know what quite a few are offering. If your dealer isn't and you want that deal, switch. You don't actually place the order until December (or later). When the B&P tool is released isn't going to make anyone commit to a price structure that doesn't want to.
You're speaking from a position of common sense... You and I both know this...

But dealers are going to use whatever excuse they can, and not having a pricing sheet is a good one that the uneducated buyer will not question...

If Build & Price is out, how can they say they don't know what the price will be when the customer can tell them what the price will be.... It's just an extra barrier for them to overcome....
 

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Your speaking from a position of common sense... You and I both know this...

But dealers are going to use whatever excuse they can, and not having a pricing sheet is a good one that the uneducated buyer will not question...

If Build & Price is out, how can they say they don't know what the price will be when the customer can tell them what the price will be.... It's just an extra barrier for them to overcome....

No dealer is committing to any price right now. Not even Granger. They don't know the price. They are committing to a certain amount below MSRP or invoice or X-plan, or whatever. Knowing the exact dollar amount doesn't change that.

If your dealer won't commit to MSRP or less now, they aren't going to after the B&P tool either. If you feel your dealer is going to screw you, change. Why wait? Do it now. You know what the offers are, so if you don't have what you want at home, switch. Or don't and then complain about your dealer.
 

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Again, what changes? If they won't commit to a price now, how does the B&P change that? You already know they won't commit to a price. If your dealer is trying to screw you now, the B&P won't change that and if your dealer has committed to X amount below MSRP or invoice, the B&P won't change that either.

Staying with or leaving a bad dealer is not based on the release of the B&P. You already know what quite a few are offering. If your dealer isn't and you want that deal, switch. You don't actually place the order until December (or later). When the B&P tool is released isn't going to make anyone commit to a price structure that doesn't want to.
If I can build what I want, print it out, take it to the dealer to sign before 10/31, that makes a world of difference for me in December.

By delaying the B&P tool, Ford’s doing the dealers a favor by ultimately having less time for more people to do exactly that. Meaning more people end paying the dealers more in December because they didn’t figure it out or get there stuff together before 10/31.

If we had two months of B&P, everybody and their mama would figure it out. But by only allowing a week or two, the number of savvy buyers not getting screwed in December is greatly reduced.

Edit: The “floor sales manager” committed to honoring my X-Plan in writing to me personally already, but I’m still going to get them to sign a printout of the B&P asap because I used to sell Ford’s and I’m not naive enough to think they won’t try to screw me if they can. That’s literally what they all do for a living. They even screw their own salesmen sometimes by rolling money to the backend or hiding money on the trade-in, even from salesmen not just customers.
 
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How does releasing the prices later do anything? The good dealers have already said what they will do based on MSRP, invoice, X-plan, etc. So how does knowing the exact price change anything? If your dealer is giving you the runaround now, knowing the exact price won't change anything, will it? Those who have said $1000 below invoice, or MSRP or whatever will still be $1000 below, won't it?
Here is a real life example to help you better understand what I mean. With a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon I did a build and price between 2 dealerships. One dealer was in my hometown the other about 3 hours away located in a smaller town. The exact same vehicle and specs was priced almost 10k different just based on which dealership I selected. So knowing the exact price and being able to select between the two changes a lot. Likely 10k worth if not more. So dealers getting the chance to not have to compete in pricing because there is no build and price tools available until the deadline to pick which dealer you want potentially can screw the thrifty consumer.
 

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Alright, I hope y'alls crappy dealers become great after the B&P tool is released. Thankfully I'm happy with mine or I'd change now. I wouldn't wait. You don't actually place your order until December, so good luck. Really.
 

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No dealer is committing to any price right now. Not even Granger. They don't know the price. They are committing to a certain amount below MSRP or invoice or X-plan, or whatever. Knowing the exact dollar amount doesn't change that.

If your dealer won't commit to MSRP or less now, they aren't going to after the B&P tool either. If you feel your dealer is going to screw you, change. Why wait? Do it now. You know what the offers are, so if you don't have what you want at home, switch. Or don't and then complain about your dealer.
Trust me, people will wait.
The dealer will convince them that they will take good care of them and that they will be happy with their purchase and people will buy that...

Or dealers will say we are just charging MSRP and then when the deliveries come they will charge extra and the salesman/GM etc etc, will say that it wasn't their decision and unfortunately that's what the price is going to be (good cop, bad cop).

It will happen and there will be stories of it, even by some members of this forum that probably should have known better...

Will I happen to me? Doubt it... I've got two reservations, one with Granger and one with Laura Ford, both of which have committed to a pricing plan... I might even buy two Bronco's (one just to sell...remember, I'm a dealer so I would not have to pay tax on the one the dealership purchases which is why I might do a flip just for fun)...So if I am getting screwed, then I would imagine this place would be going nuts with people that would be going through the same thing...
 

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So, what if you're wrong and they release B & P next week? People will be panicking for nothing. That being said, now is the time to be talking to your prospective dealer and decide if you want to stay with them or not. Only about 7 weeks left to make a change. That's what I'd be doing if I didn't trust my dealer.
 

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Remember the build and price is not gospel. It's just an online tool to estimate price. I have seen many instances of people using a manufacturers web based build and price tool then going to the dealer to order and finding out that option prices were different. Or some options aren't actually able to be ordered together. Or maybe even there are choices at ordering that don't show up on the build and price. I have had one of these situations happen to me when I special ordered a Wrangler. Bottom line you won't know the exact cost of what you want to order until they spec it out for you at the dealer.
 
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Remember the build and price is not gospel. It's just an online tool to estimate price. I have seen many instances of people using a manufacturers web based build and price tool then going to the dealer to order and finding out that option prices were different. Or some options aren't actually able to be ordered together. Or maybe even there are choices at ordering that don't show up on the build and price. I have had one of these situations happen to me when I special ordered a Wrangler. Bottom line you won't know the exact cost of what you want to order until they spec it out for you at the dealer.
So lets get that option to get it spec'd out at the dealers so we can price shop I guess. Thanks for the insight.
 

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I'm not strapped for cash, but that doesn't mean I don't want to save money on my bronco. If a dealer is not willing to talk about price and plans now I doubt that will change after b&p comes out. I don't trust dealers and sorry, but not even Granger.
 

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