Mansquatch

[Drex]

Educated guesses on if Ford uses the extra time to do Mansquatch right? 4.88 or maybe 5.13 gears to offset the tires or half ass it and just keep the 4.70s because they have them in the parts bin? 5.13 manual 35's would probably feel about the same as the 4.7 manual 33's on the BL (would tempt me). Would also grab sales from people wanting to go even bigger on tires. The gearing choices in the parts catalog gives me hope that they will get the mechanicals right while the general apparent disarray of the launch makes me think they will just slap it together and call it a marketing triumph. Thoughts/predictions on the implementation (mechanically, electronically, or visually)?

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[Toccoa]

If Ford had no plans to “do it right”, it would already be offered. Badlands isn’t that far off from a Sasquatch. They could have mailed it in months ago. I wonder if they will figure out how to add Trail Turn Assist to the Mansquatch? That would be cool.

 

[Squatch]

I think 4.7 gearing is going to be plenty. You can't use Jeep logic on a new vehicle.

 

[Used2jeep]

I think 4.7 gearing is going to be plenty. You can't use Jeep logic on a new vehicle.

@Drex do you think Ford is Jeeping out on us by not offering a bigger gear? It seems that their pockets are plenty deep for Fording that development river.

 

[wvmtneer]

I’m hoping for an updated 2.3 (DI and PI) or the miracle combination of 2.7/manual(my former dealer said this).

 

[The Pope]

I’m hoping for an updated 2.3 (DI and PI) or the miracle combination of 2.7/manual(my former dealer said this).

Please clarify....

 

[TJconvert2.7]

I’m hoping for an updated 2.3 (DI and PI) or the miracle combination of 2.7/manual(my former dealer said this).

How big a deal is it that the 2.3 doesn’t have DI, or that they use plastic oil pans, and what is carbon build up? Do you have to maintain it any differently? Only owned a turbo for 40k miles.

 

[wvmtneer]

Please clarify....

I have two reservations, and i switched one somewhere else. Before I switched, my
Salesman said that a 2.7 manual is coming for 2022.
I do not believe it, but would order it if it’s true.

 

[wvmtneer]

How big a deal is it that the 2.3 doesn’t have DI, or that they use plastic oil pans, and what is carbon build up? Do you have to maintain it any differently? Only owned a turbo for 40k miles.

Some say installing a catch can and 5k oil changes are a good idea. Dual injection should increase power numbers as well, at least it did on my 2018 mustang gt.

 

[Drex]

@Drex do you think Ford is Jeeping out on us by not offering a bigger gear? It seems that their pockets are plenty deep for Fording that development river.

The 315/70-17 is about 5% larger in diameter than the 33's. To get the same effective gearing to the ground would require 5% deeper gearing to attain the same mechanical advantage. 4.7 x 1.05 = 4.94.

4.88/manual gearing with the 315's would be slighty worse geared than the manual 4.7/33's, but would still drive fine. Ford made the Bandlands manual standard with the 4.7 gears, they chose that for a reason (I assume because it is the best for their various calibrations, but maybe not).

It would make sense to me that they keep the same effective gearing. (if you do the math, they increase the gearing the same percentage as the tire diameter in all the tire sizes for the all the trims. (haven't verified the base)) Since the the 'squatch wheels have more angular momentum due to size and increased weight. Moving to 5.13's would give a slightly better gearing at the ground and would help make up the added wheel mass and radius. I believe 5.13 manual 'squatch would drive very similarly to the manual 4.7/33's.

It would also attract those who want to go to an even bigger tire without having to regear.

Example;

All-Terrain T/A KO2
Size: 37X12.50R17 and 5.13 gears would be about the same at the ground as the 315's and a 4.7.

Would give a lot more flexibility in upsizing tires. Leaving Mansquatch at 4.70 would be fine, but better than fine would be a nice bonus.

Short version; no gear changes is fine, deeper gears is more better.

 

[Used2jeep]

The 315/70-17 is about 5% larger in diameter than the 33's. To get the same effective gearing to the ground would require 5% deeper gearing to attain the same mechanical advantage. 4.7 x 1.05 = 4.94.

4.88/manual gearing with the 315's would be slighty worse geared than the manual 4.7/33's, but would still drive fine. Ford made the Bandlands manual standard with the 4.7 gears, they chose that for a reason (I assume because it is the best for their various calibrations, but maybe not).

It would make sense to me that they keep the same effective gearing. (if you do the math, they increase the gearing the same percentage as the tire diameter in all the tire sizes for the all the trims. (haven't verified the base)) Since the the 'squatch wheels have more angular momentum due to size and increased weight. Moving to 5.13's would give a slightly better gearing at the ground and would help make up the added wheel mass and radius. I believe 5.13 manual 'squatch would drive very similarly to the manual 4.7/33's.

It would also attract those who want to go to an even bigger tire without having to regear.

Example;

All-Terrain T/A KO2
Size: 37X12.50R17 and 5.13 gears would be about the same at the ground as the 315's and a 4.7.

Would give a lot more flexibility in upsizing tires. Leaving Mansquatch at 4.70 would be fine, but better than fine would be a nice bonus.

Short version; no gear changes is fine, deeper gears is more better.

Seems I totally failed on my joke.

 

[Leonides037]

Example;

All-Terrain T/A KO2
Size: 37X12.50R17 and 5.13 gears would be about the same at the ground as the 315's and a 4.7.

So with 5.13, my RPM would stay the same as stock in relation to speed from original? I’m too lazy to calculate it myself , but that’s what I want when I put 37”. And also, what is mansquatch?

 

[Leonides037]

@Drex Nevermind, I got what mansquatch mean

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