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Yeah, not unless it's a massive surprise and the top and doors come off.Maybe the 2023 4runner will change our mind's
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Yeah, not unless it's a massive surprise and the top and doors come off.Maybe the 2023 4runner will change our mind's
Yeah, for me it was a Defender as the potential candidate. Had the opportunity to see a Defender 110 next to a Bronco 4DR yesterday, and the Defender lost badly in my eyes. That Willys keeps catching my eye and I find the 4xe intriguing.I keep trying to convince myself I want a wrangler or gladiator instead, but no matter how hard or gentle ford keeps trying to fuck me, I just can't beat the value and looks of a 2dr base mansquatch. Jeep's Xtreme Recon is still 4dr and auto only, and I am generally not a chrysler fan.
For real though, if I was a 4dr, 2.7, lux, BL, leather, hardtop type customer, i would have ordered a 392 over a month ago and never looked back. -6% under invoice is like 69K with the recon pack. Compared to a 62K badlands that I have to hunt for a dealer with allocation to find and BEG them to let me pay MSRP? please.
Willys 2dr manual xtreme recon shows up, and that will be the final nail in the Bronco coffin for me.
I will definitely look. I was ready to go with a lifted Tacoma TRD Pro but my wife said she would be too scared to ever drive it. Maybe that should have been interpreted as a selling point.Maybe the 2023 4runner will change our mind's
The fact is, any dealer (large or small) can do what Granger does. Their "deal" isn't isolated to Bronco. It's their business model on all mass produced vehicles. They work off volume based sales, not MSRP/ADMs. Big dealers can do the same damn thing, but choose not to hustle and wait for their prey to walk into their store. I see this as the internet finally impacting old school brick and mortar dealerships and none of them like new school. They would much prefer old school. They still have the same opportunity to capture sales in their market, they just aren't working hard to do it, because it's a new ballgame. They don't want the game to change.The big elephant in the room is the internet and social media. Technically, Granger isn't supposed to be targetting outside its sales area, and Granger would never break this rule by placing ads in California newspapers for example. Social media is much more grey because people can find and share Granger's deal and grant the dealer a national audience.
Big dealers in major metro areas have a lot to lose with this type of dealer capturing sales from what was once a captive market. Unfortunately, they also have the law on their side to pressure Ford into keeping them a small town dealership.
After this, I suspect every vehicle will have a removeable roof in 2023.Yeah, not unless it's a massive surprise and the top and doors come off.
I'm taking a hard look at recon package Jeep and 4 runners rn. I am just about at the point where i speak with my wallet on principle, not because i wouldn't want a Bronco more, but id be happy with any of those 3 choices.Right, but here we are lining up like lemmings to be reamed by this company. This will need to be part of the narrative.
If the customers collectively said "f#<k off", these politician-like business leaders would change their ways. Myself included. I have been desperately trying to find an alternative vehicle and put this farce behind me, but every time I see a Bronco I somehow convince myself to stay.
Is it though? In case you haven't noticed, we are all waiting in line, just at a different stage. I don't have a Bronco, you don't, 95% of order holders don't. Should the sky be falling for all of us?Mike Levine just said that for 2% of us, the sky IS falling.... that's the whole rub bub
There won't be a class action lawsuit...that is a ridiculous idea.If it really is just 2% of all orders then why would Ford take the black eye? This is about precedent and they chose dealer happiness over competition. This is why a class action lawsuit is inevitable.
Bronco is a resource-constrained vehicle at this time, like GT350R is a volume-constrained vehicle. Once MAP fires up at 100% capacity (in 2023?) then this whole thing is a non-issue.Bronco is a mass produced vehicle, the GT350 (R or Not) is an actual limited edition. That's difference #1
Ford didn't ask for reservations for GT350s promising people a place in line. That's difference #2.
Reservations are retail orders with customer names attached. If they are making it to the customers who actually ordered them, personally I don't care if one dealership sells 1000/2800. Allowing one dealer to buy 30% of the country's supply for dealer stock is stupid, but that's not even in the same ballpark as what we're talking about here. That's difference #3
Ford was a member of the Granger did nothing wrong crowd right up until they changed the rules. Zach got his planned cleared by his rep prior to offering it.
That's not what anyone is asking for. Granger customers don't deserve theirs first. They deserve theirs in the place in line they reserved them with concessions made for constraints like hard tops.
If you were trying to set a world record for false equivalencies in one post, I don't know if you won, but you're surely a competitor.
Not for the Bronco, but reservations systems in general. Inevitable. Mark my wordsIs it though? In case you haven't noticed, we are all waiting in line, just at a different stage. I don't have a Bronco, you don't, 95% of order holders don't. Should the sky be falling for all of us?
You don't even have any real facts or information, just some misc tweets and snippets from a few well-intentioned, but obviously biased dealerships.
Your situation will be worked out the same way all the other issues and constraints are being worked out.
We are all waiting in line...but y'all are making it way more unpleasant with the constant complaining about the exact same issue. How many threads have to be created to complain about the same stuff?
There won't be a class action lawsuit...that is a ridiculous idea.