National Park Service Will Cite Drivers of AWD Cars For Driving on 4WD-Only Trails

[swooshdave]

Technically, but it has such limited articulation that it's likely to get itself in trouble quickly.

The suspension travel is relatively similar.

[Bronco] Sasquatch package travel is 9.05 inches for the front axle and 9.88 inches for the rear axel.

Bronco Sport Badlands Sasquatch has up to up to 8.3 inches of front suspension travel and 8.7 inches of rear suspension travel.

But I bet the articulation numbers are much more different.

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[dgorsett]

The suspension travel is relatively similar.





But I bet the articulation numbers are much more different.

Right. We think Broncos like to 3 wheel, four wheel Independant suspension rigs like to be on 2, Bronco Sport, M 151 and my 2005 Explorer, just to name Fords. And like @Snacktime says not all ground clearance is created equal. The whole underside of a Sport may sit at 8" and it's all tin or aluminum, with the body on frame, the important stuff is a few inches higher and most the hang downs are steel.

 

[vrtical]

got all the clearance you need well minus 4L anything

 

[mpeugeot]

got all the clearance you need well minus 4L anything

That articulation is tragic.

 

[Dral97]

Had my Bronco down around OBX/Hatteras recently. I was at the Hatteras national park and saw these off roading magnets they were giving out that had a circle on them around '4WD' but X's through '2WD' and 'AWD'. Made me think of this thread.

I picked one up. Will post a pic up later if I remember it.

 

[JerryC]

That articulation is tragic.

Ya, but the thing is that it made it over that really easy. If it's from the video I saw, it didn't hardly slip a tire and it stopped right there and started going again.

IMHO, the Sport is the best of the Soft Roader crowd.

 

[swooshdave]

Right. We think Broncos like to 3 wheel, four wheel Independant suspension rigs like to be on 2, Bronco Sport, M 151 and my 2005 Explorer, just to name Fords. And like @Snacktime says not all ground clearance is created equal. The whole underside of a Sport may sit at 8" and it's all tin or aluminum, with the body on frame, the important stuff is a few inches higher and most the hang downs are steel.

I don't think you care but the new Sport Squatch has steel armor in places now.

 

[userdude]

Ya, but the thing is that it made it over that really easy. If it's from the video I saw, it didn't hardly slip a tire and it stopped right there and started going again.

IMHO, the Sport is the best of the Soft Roader crowd.

It's won several off road races for several years. But it is funny, it looks like a fat dog trying to navigate stairs.

 

[mpeugeot]

Ya, but the thing is that it made it over that really easy. If it's from the video I saw, it didn't hardly slip a tire and it stopped right there and started going again.

IMHO, the Sport is the best of the Soft Roader crowd.

It did make it just fine, but it is the same traction management that is available on the big Bronco... Which is less money in some cases when compared to the Bronco Sport with the Sasquatch package.

This is a largely stock Bronco OBX without the Sasquatch package (with the sway bar connected), see any difference in articulation?

 

[JerryC]

It did make it just fine, but it is the same traction management that is available on the big Bronco... Which is less money in some cases when compared to the Bronco Sport with the Sasquatch package.

This is a largely stock Bronco OBX without the Sasquatch package (with the sway bar connected), see any difference in articulation?

In the video I watched it had the locking rear diff, or so said the presenter.

Of course it won't have the articulation of a SRA, but that isn't the mission of the Sport.

 

[The Green Flash]

Mine is an 02, not sure where the cutoff for late model is.

The dash knob has 2WD, 4WD HI, 4WD LO.

There are vacuum lines but I don't have any confidence if they still do anything.

It's a heavy 7.3 and tends to spin easily on wet grass on incline. Nothing on my property is level. I' have locked one DS hub several times (& engaging 4WD) and got the truck to move.

I suppose I could pull the rear driveshaft out and see if locking one hub can get it to move and video it but I frankly don't care that much about it. Believe me or don't.

Like I said in earlier post, it bucks badly if both are locked and I turn sharply on pavement.

I've had a 2000, 2002, & currently in a 2003 f250, all with the 7.3l in them - the 2003 is one of the last of the 7.3L's, a late Oct of '02 build and they stopped using 7.3's in November of '02.

The knob on the dash, if the vaccum lines are working, will 'lock' both front hubs for you. Manually engaging the DS hub is unnecessary. If vaccum lines are not working, then locking the DS hub only works to improve traction if you have one of the limited slip front differentials - and I'm jealous of your LS front differential if you do. If you have an open front diff like me, locking in one axle shaft would do you no good as far as traction, mentally maybe there's a placebo effect helping you get up the wet grassy slopes in 2wd(?)

 

[AXMRDR]

I've had a 2000, 2002, & currently in a 2003 f250, all with the 7.3l in them - the 2003 is one of the last of the 7.3L's, a late Oct of '02 build and they stopped using 7.3's in November of '02.

The knob on the dash, if the vaccum lines are working, will 'lock' both front hubs for you. Manually engaging the DS hub is unnecessary. If vaccum lines are not working, then locking the DS hub only works to improve traction if you have one of the limited slip front differentials - and I'm jealous of your LS front differential if you do. If you have an open front diff like me, locking in one axle shaft would do you no good as far as traction, mentally maybe there's a placebo effect helping you get up the wet grassy slopes in 2wd(?)

Thanks for the clarification.
My vacuum lines are not working then. I was wondering if that was what they were for when I changed out the front wheel bearings.

Like I said before, it bucks badly on pavement when both are locked in while making very sharp turns, it's not placebo - scared the crap out of me first time it happened.

 

[dgorsett]

Thanks for the clarification.
My vacuum lines are not working then. I was wondering if that was what they were for when I changed out the front wheel bearings.

Like I said before, it bucks badly on pavement when both are locked in while making very sharp turns, it's not placebo - scared the crap out of me first time it happened.

FWIW. It's probably only the drivers side vacume hub that is bad since you said manually engaging that one gets you unstuck.

 

[AXMRDR]

Could be but I don't think either of them are working. The truck is 22 yrs old after all and the tiny lines are plastic.

If either of them are working I wouldn't need to lock them in manually.

To be honest, it's the closest one once I get out of the truck. If both of them are pulling why walk to the other side?....Twice.

 

[The Green Flash]

Could be but I don't think either of them are working. The truck is 22 yrs old after all and the tiny lines are plastic.

If either of them are working I wouldn't need to lock them in manually.

To be honest, it's the closest one once I get out of the truck. If both of them are pulling why walk to the other side?....Twice.

Just my opinion, but for the minimal amount of effort to rebuild my vaccum lines, it sure is nice to not have to get out in the middle of a dark night in a Sierra snowstorm to engage the front axle... knowing if I did damage the vac lines again, I can always get out and manually engage.

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