No V8 from Ford any time soon but mainly because of emissions penalties

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The fact that “Even forum members on here have commented on their trouble free 100k+ mileage.” Even gets posted is evidence that people simply don’t trust the ecoboosts. 100k+ was a common place theme in the 1970s to show reliability - if 100k+ is the best ecoboosts can do in the 2020s then they have no chance.

There is simply no reason not to offer a V8 other than Ford is so committed to their ecoboosts that they cannot afford the embarrassment of building a decent small block V8 for the less than 3/4ton market.

Spare me the cries that the V6 is “good enough” I want the best not “good enough”. And the thousands of miles I’ve driven an F150 with the 2.7L I know that’s a frustrating engine that cannot get out of its own way. Now granted if your coming from a focus or some other small car it may be “adequate“ but for the rest of us we need a V8.
Did you even read the article on th EB torture test? No 70's V8 (with 165 factory HP ) would come close to surviving that.

Also, assuming supercrew F-150 that's about half a ton heavier than expected Bronco curb weight.

Sounds like you need a first gen build candidate to get what you want. If you can't buy it, build it.





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Did you even read the article on th EB torture test? No 70's V8 (with 165 factory HP ) would come close to surviving that.

Also, assuming supercrew F-150 that's about half a ton heavier than expected Bronco curb weight.

Sounds like you need a first gen build candidate to get what you want. If you can't buy it, build it.
I shouldn’t have to build it, there is clearly a vocal consumer group that is willing to put money on a V8. The Wrangler has had multiple aftermarket companies selling V8 swap kits and even FCA finally relented.

The demand is clearly there to support a V8. If Ford is planning on the Bronco being a big deal then it would make sense to provide products to a segment demanding a V8 powertrain. Leave the 6 cylinders for those that cannot afford the 8.
 

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I shouldn’t have to build it, there is clearly a vocal consumer group that is willing to put money on a V8. The Wrangler has had multiple aftermarket companies selling V8 swap kits and even FCA finally relented.

The demand is clearly there to support a V8. If Ford is planning on the Bronco being a big deal then it would make sense to provide products to a segment demanding a V8 powertrain. Leave the 6 cylinders for those that cannot afford the 8.
I get it.

I know a few other folks who think they know how to build a better car, but don't have the skills to, you know, build a car.
 

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I don't know why this should be such a big deal considering the boosted engines make huge torque numbers, which I'm guessing is what all the off-roaders want anyway.

That is more in line with my thinking as well as that maybe Ford simply doesn't have a V-8 that would be good match for the Bronco.

Ford makes 7 different V-8s, 3 of which are variants of the 5.0 Coyote,( two for Mustang and one for F-150) and two are based off the 5.2 and then the two heavy duty truck engines the 6.2 and 7.3. So of those that make good low end torque that would be good in a off road vehicle that leaves the F-150 5.0, the 6.2 and the 7.3

I know displacement doesn't always correlate to actual size but the 5.0s are fairly large engines as is the 6.2 being OHC designs. I believe the 7.3 is longer than the 5.0 so I am not sure if they would even fit while meeting OEM standards for crash and durability. Also the platform wasn't designed with a v8 in mind IIRC
 

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I get it.

I know a few other folks who think they know how to build a better car, but don't have the skills to, you know, build a car.
I assume your talking about yourself, since you don’t know my background and all.... 🙄
 

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I get it.

I know a few other folks who think they know how to build a better car, but don't have the skills to, you know, build a car.
I know a lot of guys that hire true experts to do engine build and swaps, they don't have the skills to do the work, this is why they hire those that do. This is like going to the Doctor-hire the person with the skill(s) you need, that is, if you don't have them yourself.
 

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Sounds like the bronco may not get the v8....

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/09/14/ford-bronco-v8/

“"We have to manage the CO2 implications of the product. The way the federal requirements are now, it's all footprint-based. If you look at the shadow area of a small off-road vehicle, it has a pretty high target from a government perspective in terms of CO2," explained Eric Loefller, the Bronco's chief engineer, in an interview with Muscle Cars & Trucks. His comments confirm that, as of writing, a V8-powered variant is not in the pipeline.”
We probably have a better chance in seeing the 3.5L from the Raptor before Ford shoves a V8 under the hood
 

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I think we all know that the future is turbo 4's and 6's to meet CAFE/EPA regs. But having the choice of a NA V8 would be nice...

In my recent truck shopping it kind of felt like it was my "last chance" to get a old-school wholesome engine like that. I will enjoy it while I can!
 

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Towing capacity, you would go from 3500 to 5500
It’s my understanding that the limiting factor for the towing is not the engine, but the squishy suspension that’s required for off road driving. That it’s a trade off. Pickups are more firm, and thus can tow more with the same engine under the hood.

Anybody able to confirm/refute?
 
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Henry Ford himself once said, "They can have them in any color they want, as long as it is black". Last time I checked, Ford offers more than black cars. Just because one guy at Ford says, "It'll never happen", does not mean it will never happen. What it means, as long as he has the final say it will not happen. Things change....
 

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It's just so.....Ford.

Ford v. Ferrari captures the corporate mentality that fights itself. Ironic really that FCA has the 392 playing the "man card".

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And Ford (slow learners that they are)is gonna build what Ford wants....instead of what the customers want.
 

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