Odds of diesel coming to Bronco?

Will there be a Diesel option (3.0PS)?


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The Ecoboost engines have a lot of qualities like a Diesel engine without the significant downsides. Way more expensive oil changes, DEF fluid, higher maintenance requirements etc make the smaller Diesel engines just not worth the hassle.



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But vs the 2.7 Ecoboost f150 its just not worth it.
2.7 has 20mpg combine and 3.0 is 22mpg. So is that 2 mpg worth the premium price and maintenance?
MAYBE if your towing over 10,000lbs (9000 in the EB vs 11200 in the PS)
But at that point get a 250.
That isn't the point. I can't get a base XL with a diesel, even if I wanted to order it.

I would rather have the diesel over any ecoboost (just me). But, I have to go to an upper end model to get one.
 
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The Ecoboost engines have a lot of qualities like a Diesel engine without the significant downsides. Way more expensive oil changes, DEF fluid, higher maintenance requirements etc make the smaller Diesel engines just not worth the hassle.
Again, not the point. Why can't I order an XL with a diesel?
 

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Again, not the point. Why can't I order an XL with a diesel?
Because Ford needing to adjust the assembly line process, custom build, add staff, etc for one single Diesel engine sale is not worth their time.

Supply, demand, and economy of scale are all important.
 

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Because Ford needing to adjust the assembly line process, custom build, add staff, etc for one single Diesel engine sale is not worth their time.

Supply, demand, and economy of scale are all important.
Right now there are less then 300 diesel f-150's for sale new (none are 2020s).

If I can custom order a truck, why can't i custom order an XL. Are you saying that it is harder to put a diesel in an XL vs Lariat?

I guarantee there would be more sales if the PS was available on lower trims. The point is that Ford does not want you to buy the PS. Just like GM did not want you to order a manual in their Colorado (because they only offered it in the lowest trim).
 

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Right now there are less then 300 diesel f-150's for sale new (none are 2020s).

If I can custom order a truck, why can't i custom order an XL. Are you saying that it is harder to put a diesel in an XL vs Lariat?

I guarantee there would be more sales if the PS was available on lower trims. The point is that Ford does not want you to buy the PS. Just like GM did not want you to order a manual in their Colorado (because they only offered it in the lowest trim).
Hit the nail on the head. You’re exactly right they don’t want to sell low volume niche vehicles because that would be a waste of time and money.
 

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Hit the nail on the head. You’re exactly right they don’t want to sell low volume niche vehicles because that would be a waste of time and money.
Right, so why not just kill the PS in the F-150 all together. Get on with it already.

Ford should quit acting like they "offer" it as an engine choice.
 

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The diesel is a turbo motor, an extra expensive one. Which does work great when towing. I dont really see how not selling it at lower trims is new. I am constantly looking at old vehicles for sale all over the country and every time I see a 80s or 90s f250 custom (base)trim diesel its always listed as "rare".

Really ford has a small diesel because everybody thinks they have to so basically its peer pressure on a very expensive scale. When they figure out if the gamble worked they will either keep it or drop it at the next redesign.
 
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Currently looking through jeep wrangler diesels in the United States. Only 244 available. All are four-door. However they are available in most trims. Lots of sports lots of Sierras lots of Rubicon‘s. Starting in the low 40,000 range though. Only 15 near me within 200 Miles.
 

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Right now there are less then 300 diesel f-150's for sale new (none are 2020s).

If I can custom order a truck, why can't i custom order an XL. Are you saying that it is harder to put a diesel in an XL vs Lariat?

I guarantee there would be more sales if the PS was available on lower trims. The point is that Ford does not want you to buy the PS. Just like GM did not want you to order a manual in their Colorado (because they only offered it in the lowest trim).
This is one of the many reasons this engine flopped. We had fleets ready to order diesels to try them out, but they could only order XLT 157WB or higher and get diesel. It turned them off and they moved on to other products. The diesel is a complete flop, I am not exaggerating when I say that I have not had a single commercial customer ask for one personally. Look at Nissan, they partner with Cummins and make a Cummins offering and it's a flop. The sales numbers say that people don't want diesel. Like I've mentioned before, I think the auto manufacturers are starting to stay away from car commenters and enthusiast forums to see what they should be building.
 

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This is one of the many reasons this engine flopped. We had fleets ready to order diesels to try them out, but they could only order XLT 157WB or higher and get diesel. It turned them off and they moved on to other products. The diesel is a complete flop, I am not exaggerating when I say that I have not had a single commercial customer ask for one personally. Look at Nissan, they partner with Cummins and make a Cummins offering and it's a flop. The sales numbers say that people don't want diesel. Like I've mentioned before, I think the auto manufacturers are starting to stay away from car commenters and enthusiast forums to see what they should be building.
Sort of like the Simpsons episode where Homer designs the car.
 

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This is one of the many reasons this engine flopped. We had fleets ready to order diesels to try them out, but they could only order XLT 157WB or higher and get diesel. It turned them off and they moved on to other products. The diesel is a complete flop, I am not exaggerating when I say that I have not had a single commercial customer ask for one personally. Look at Nissan, they partner with Cummins and make a Cummins offering and it's a flop. The sales numbers say that people don't want diesel. Like I've mentioned before, I think the auto manufacturers are starting to stay away from car commenters and enthusiast forums to see what they should be building.
Is this a fleet vehicle?

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/800687858/overview/

I would be tempted if it wasn't clear across the county. If this was within 500 miles of me at that price, I would buy it tomorrow.

Or maybe not. If Ford is abandoning the 3.0 PS, it would be a bad product to purchase.
 

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Actually I think the engine Ford would choose to offer would be the 2.0 they just brought over from the Ranger "Raptor" and put in stuff like the Everest and US Transit.

Odds are still quite low I'd guess, but better for the Ranger as it has more commercial user potential like the Transit.
 

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Emissions standards around the world are going to make the passenger vehicle/ light truck diesels extinct, plain and simple. Except for maybe the countries that do not enforce any emission standards.

Current emissions are forcing new diesel vehicles to carry emission systems similar to a refinery, but in a mobile platform.
Modern diesels are finicky and expensive to maintain and are now expensive to fuel for only modest gains in mileage. (let's not forget expensive to warranty....may be why they only put them in higher trim models)
This makes gas motors the "new diesel", they now last 300,000 miles with minimal maintenance and are getting more efficient and powerful every year.
 



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