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Unpopular opinion, but I love the fender vinyl badging.
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I don't mind it either, somewhat reminds me of a sleeve tattoo, for some reason. That abrupt ending at the wrist maybe.Unpopular opinion, but I love the fender vinyl badging.
Love the FJ referenceThe squared fenders are much better looking to me than the standard rounded ones. I also love the color, reminds me of sand storm color from 08/09 FJ before they made the sand color darker.
Bro, if they got rid of the 2.7l and only sold a 4 cylinder, I'd go buy a Jeep. I've held out from converting to Jeeps my whole life and been a die hard Bronco fan. But if they ditch the only desirable option, I'd either get a full size Gen 5 Bronco and build it or get a Jeep. Either way, I'd never buy a new Ford again. They can try and push whatever "normal" that they want, doesn't mean it's the best or desirable answer and will just push people away from the brand.I know you are stirring the pot with such a supposition. But it certainly would streamline production at MAP. They could always bring back the 2.7 for MY'25.
And that is fair. The 2.7 availability or lack there of is a deal breaker for some. But let's not ignore the fact that it would certainly streamline production of the Bronco. And while they may lose a customer over such a decision, Ford will still sell every single Bronco produced even if they only had the 2.3L.Bro, if they got rid of the 2.7l and only sold a 4 cylinder, I'd go buy a Jeep. I've held out from converting to Jeeps my whole life and been a die hard Bronco fan. But if they ditch the only desirable option, I'd either get a full size Gen 5 Bronco and build it or get a Jeep. Either way, I'd never buy a new Ford again. They can try and push whatever "normal" that they want, doesn't mean it's the best or desirable answer and will just push people away from the brand.
Not sure I like the MIC with the tan, but I like the color reference. Like this?The squared fenders are much better looking to me than the standard rounded ones. I also love the color, reminds me of sand storm color from 08/09 FJ before they made the sand color darker.
Can’t get federal funding for needed Everglades wafer resvoirFord screwed the pooch with the Everglades.
Colors - The Limited Edition Colors should have been a choice of either Florida State Seminoles' Gold and Garnet Red or Florida Gators' Blue and Orange.
Seat Covers - Alligator Hide Leather or a colorful Seminole Textile weave
Leather Covered Steering Wheel - Snakeskin! Python Snakeskin!
And a portion of Ford's profits from each Bronco Everglade sold goes to....wait for it.....Everglades Water, Plant and Wildlife Restoration. The Everglades is dying and not enough is has been done to stop destruction for the last 50 years.
Ford blew a perfect PR opportunity. Blew it.
True, but I know a lot of folks that laugh at a 4 cylinder and honestly hate the noise. It's not utilitarian enough to overcome the desire for what a lot of the adventure consumer wants. I want more out of an engine a 4 banger will give me. 4 cylinder just doesn't create torque the same way a larger displacement engine does. I have a V8 6.2l in my F150... that burns gas and in CA is miserable. Communism sucks. So dropping to less cylinders is a good option, especially if you're going way out until the boonies like in Alaska, which I'd love to do. But going too small will leave you with an engine that just can't perform a well as a V6 or V8 in a lot of situations. That 6.2l with 37s and 4.88 gears crawls up anything.... it's like cheating. I could probably step back to 4.56 gearing and that engine will still perform because the torque down low is just magical. Can't get that out of a 4 cylinder. Just can't. So it's not utilitarian enough of an engine to keep customers.And that is fair. The 2.7 availability or lack there of is a deal breaker for some. But let's not ignore the fact that it would certainly streamline production of the Bronco. And while they may lose a customer over such a decision, Ford will still sell every single Bronco produced even if they only had the 2.3L.
All of this is just speculation and supposition, but IMO, they offered too many trims/options for the launch. They shot themselves in the proverbial foot over-complicating production. They would have been better served to have a limited trim option for MY'21. Introduce more trims for MY'22 and by MY'23 roll out the full compliment of trims/options. Those who chose to wait would not have Ford to blame for the delays. Instead, we have individuals who reserved on the first day waiting for a loaded Badlands or other highly constrained trim placing much deserved blame on Ford. If those same highly constrained trims were purposely delayed until MY'23, then no blame could be cast and buyer's would be forced to patiently wait.
For example, Base, Black Diamond, OBX (limited to High), Badlands (limited to Mid), FE should have been the MY'21 trims/options with Sasquatch only available on the Black Diamond or OBX (not counting the FE as it was included). For MY'22, the Big Bend could have been introduced with the same restrictions on Sasquatch. For MY'23 expand Sasquatch option down to the Big Bend and expand High/Lux to OBX and Badlands. MY'24 could have introduced the 2.7L and the WT.
But thankfully for consumers, they have many options to build their desired Bronco and subsequently wait as Ford figures out how to meet the production demand. People want to offer excuses (C-19, supply chain, chips, etc.), but at some point the excuses aren't valid. Ford chose to compete with Stellantis' Jeep. Ford's best month of Bronco production in MY'21 was still 3000 less than Stellantis' worst month of Jeep production in MY'21.
My old Land Rover has a rather anemic naturally aspirated 4cyl engine. Yet over the years, people have explored the world in these vehicles. In the end the amount of adventure people have in the Bronco, will be determine by what the driver is up for, not 4cyl vs 6cyl.I have no idea why folks feel the need to bash the 2.3L. The engine is fine and works well in the Bronco. If you don't want it, don't buy it. To say it isn't up to the task whether commuting or back country exploring is wrong and silly. I've had 2.5L 4 cylinder off road trucks that will go farther off road and into more wild places than a lot of V8s. So they are half the engine than what is in my '75 EB (literally)...I like them just as much as my EB...just a different flavor.
They are offering the 2.3L in the Everglades as a business decision so that they have a better chance of actually producing them...while maybe filling some more of the existing orders folks have for 2.7L engines.
Agreed. I've run three Pinzgauers with 2.5L air-cooled slant 4-cylinders that are extremely robust. All of 90hp. More than enough power and torque for trail running or overlanding. Driver ability and how you set up your rig is more important.My old Land Rover has a rather anemic naturally aspirated 4cyl engine. Yet over the years, people have explored the world in these vehicles. In the end the amount of adventure people have in the Bronco, will be determine by what the driver is up for, not 4cyl vs 6cyl.