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Some on this forum have said that a reservation made prior to Sept 18 may end up being a MY22 versus a MY21 because of allocation. I am trying to determine if this is being said just to create FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt)?
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Therefore, considering the above assumptions, wouldn’t it be illogical for Ford to select a cutoff date that would not allow them to satisfy the MY21 demand? A demand that they just created by selecting the stated cutoff date. Sadly the allocation formula may impact MY21 delivery schedule, but it should not affect the MY designation.
The memo, if genuine, is clear that Ford does not expect to fulfill all reservation orders in MY21 (they said that demand "far exceeds" MY21 production capacity).

We know that larger dealers will fulfill a higher percentage of their reservations, so we can make an informed choice of which dealer we select. Plus the critical part is that we know that Ford will inform each dealer of approximately how many 2021's they will actually get, so we can ask/beg/pressure dealers to disclose our chances before ordering.

Ford didn't disclose what would happen to unfulfilled reservations, but they could potentially be built as MY2022 at the same price. That is what I would assume for now if I had a later reservation.

I have an early reservation, so allocations are irrelevant, but I am waiting to see how a demand that outstrips production capacity impacts the B&P. I am hoping that Ford waits until Feb1 to raise B&P prices (on new non-reservation orders).





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Can someone correct my understanding if I'm wrong here:

Reservations for 2021MY made after Sept 18 are essentially converted to MY2022, without any info for pricing, trims, or packages?
I would expect Ford to clear this up. I don't see how they can assume that if you reserved a 21, everyone would be OK with a 22. With more then 2 months left until order time, I expect more changes to come.
 

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Given the cutoff date/ allocation issue, it’s getting more unclear as to when we would get our Bronco’s.

Many people(including me) will be more than upset if our August or even late July reservations were pushed into 22my.

At what point will we find out when we would get the Bronco? Would I be able to call my dealer tomorrow and find out if my reservation is getting pushed to 22my. Would the dealers now have the math needed to see when their dealership’s cutoff date is due to allocation rules?

i need to decide whether to wait indefinitely for a Bronco or get a Wrangler now.
 

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Given the cutoff date/ allocation issue, it’s getting more unclear as to when we would get our Bronco’s.

Many people(including me) will be more than upset if our August or even late July reservations were pushed into 22my.

At what point will we find out when we would get the Bronco? Would I be able to call my dealer tomorrow and find out if my reservation is getting pushed to 22my. Would the dealers now have the math needed to see when their dealership’s cutoff date is due to allocation rules?

i need to decide whether to wait indefinitely for a Bronco or get a Wrangler now.
They can't possibly know anything until the window closes to convert reservations to orders end of January. If the conversion rate is lower than Ford expects, they can backfill from the 2022 bucket and some reservations Sept 18th and later could be filled. The conversion rate could also be higher than Ford expects, putting reservations close to the cutoff in danger.
 

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I view the current situation as a power play from upset big dealers, since they have local customers leaving for Granger/Stephens/Laura or whatever better deal someone has found. We’ll see how this evolves over the next 3-5 months.
This idea that Ford is going to decide who gets their Broncos based on an allocation and not their place in the reservation line suggests they figure we as customers are willing to accept one of two options:
  1. Wait while others well behind us in line get their Broncos because we chose the wrong dealer
  2. Get screwed and pay more because we have to choose a dealer that will get more Broncos and offers no discounts, or worse, marks them up
Of course, they are forgetting option 3, pass on buying at all. No matter what people think about large corporations, I'm holding out hope that none could be so stupid as to colossally screw over their brand ambassadors.
 
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They can't possibly know anything until the window closes to convert reservations to orders end of January. If the conversion rate is lower than Ford expects, they can backfill from the 2022 bucket and some reservations Sept 18th and later could be filled. The conversion rate could also be higher than Ford expects, putting reservations close to the cutoff in danger.
What I suspected. Then I hope that Ford makes the deposit $500 or more non refundable to weed out those people who would order with little or no intention of following through with a purchase.
 

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Follow up on what @Gamecock said- I believe its been stated that when your order is converted and it clears the initial allocation, it will be built in the global time stamp order subject to commodities etc.
But even the part "when your order is converted" (which I think you mean, when my reservation is converted to an order) is different than what has been publicly communicated just recently that we don't have to rush out and be the first one to get our order in with our dealer--that we have until January 31 and won't lose our place in line.

(I've clearly understood that mine is not an exact place in line, but an approximate. That means if I'm #20000 in line, I might be 22000 to get mine, but unless I've got some configuration that is limited by parts, I shouldn't be 40000 or even 30000, but this whole thread has been about how I could be, merely for choosing the "wrong" dealer.
 

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(I've clearly understood that mine is not an exact place in line, but an approximate. That means if I'm #20000 in line, I might be 22000 to get mine, but unless I've got some configuration that is limited by parts, I shouldn't be 40000 or even 30000, but this whole thread has been about how I could be, merely for choosing the "wrong" dealer.
That's the part that's been bugging the hell out of me. I hope they clarify this sometime soon, because as it stands now it appears that those of us going through a smaller dealership are getting shafted for doing so, and our reservations be damned due to the allocation process.

Not keen on the idea of having an early reservation, yet getting pushed to 2022 simply because I went with a smaller dealership that I like and trust. When someone who reserved much later may get theirs delivered in '21 just because they went through one of the big dealerships.
 

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This idea that Ford is going to decide who gets their Broncos based on an allocation and not their place in the reservation line suggests they figure we as customers are willing to accept one of two options:
  1. Wait while others well behind us in line get their Broncos because we chose the wrong dealer
  2. Get screwed and pay more because we have to choose a dealer that will get more Broncos and offers no discounts, or worse, marks them up
Of course, they are forgetting option 3, pass on buying at all. No matter what people think about large corporations, I'm holding out hope that none could be so stupid as to colossally screw over their brand ambassadors.
Option 1 suggests Ford is still out to punish Granger and ultimately the customers that piled on to their deals.
I think option 2 is where Ford wants to see most customers. The threats of penalties from Ford for cancelled orders will encourage some of them to make deals. Those that try ADM's will likely have more customers walking away.
I doubt Ford is worried about option 3. They have far more reservations than they know what to do with.
 

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What's to stop Ford from removing a trim I want, or raising MSRP $1000? It's little things like that I'm concerned about.
You are correct that in the past (non-reservation model) if your dealer didn't get an allocation and your order is bumped, you have to pay the then-current price and must configure it to that year's options. This happened to me on a truck order.

However, I think it is likely that reservation holders that don't make the allocation cut at their dealership will probably get an email from Ford saying "Congratulations, your order has been upgraded to model year 2022 at no extra cost to you. It will be built to the specifications of your original order." That may be welcome news. Who wants to take delivery of their 2021 Bronco when there are already 2023 F-150s on the lot?
 

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What I suspected. Then I hope that Ford makes the deposit $500 or more non refundable to weed out those people who would order with little or no intention of following through with a purchase.
if FORD raises the non-refundable deposit to 10,000$US, they'll definitely be able to meet their likely production ceiling for MY21
 

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if FORD raises the non-refundable deposit to 10,000$US, they'll definitely be able to meet their likely production ceiling for MY21
I think Ford requiring any non-refundable deposit, especially after establishing that they cannot keep promises (eg "tweaking" the reservation model), would make FCA very happy.
 

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