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So sorry to hear this. Mine has been dead for two month with nary a word from @Ford Motor Company about when I can expect it to be repaired. Ford tells you to speak to the dealer, the dealer suggests you call Ford. It's a circular firing squad and Ford provides absolutely no insights, clarity, support or outreach from anything other than "customer experience specialists" who concede that they have zero understanding of the electronic issues, supply chain issues, or other problems that continue to delay this part or cause this failure.

Any effort or request to speak to anyone besides someone in this very siloed customer non-service department - someone in production or electronics or anyone in some area of Ford who may have an explanation or clarity on what is going on or when I might expect my six month old car to again function properly is rebuffed. I was recently told, with great seriousness, that if I want to make any kind of contact with someone with that sort of knowledge, I should write a paper letter and send it to a Ford PO Box in Michigan. Just unbelievably dismayed by the entire thing, and no end in sight.
I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this. I imagine I will have a similar experience ☹
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Dropped off the Bronco and manager said it’ll be 3-5 days before they’re even able to look at it because they are so backed up. He gave me a loaner vehicle which I appreciate. Here’s my ride to the next who knows how long.
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My screen came back after one day I'm happy to report.

I freaked out that I may have caused my issue after replacing the front and rear speakers of my B&O stereo. The center dash speaker has a large hole underneath that speaker. I placed sound deadening material over the hole along with polyfill to enhance/improve the performance. My screen went black after one day in the sun after completing the speaker swap. My thoughts were that I plugged a vent for the center dash and something overheated.

I removed the material and the following morning the screen came back on. Whether it's related I haven't a clue but I thought I would share my experience.
 

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These problems sure sound like they could be caused by loose or faulty connectors. That was probably the number one quality issue we had at the company I retired from (world‘s largest manufacturer of gaming (slot) and lottery machines) and we’d occasionally have similar issues with displays not working that was caused by poorly made, poorly designed or poorly assembled wiring connectors. The install crews would see it often after machine delivery via truck when loose connectors (not fully seated and “clicked” during assembly) would come even looser during transit and handling and things would stop working. First thing they’d do was make sure certain connectors were fully seated. It happened enough that it was a SI step (successive inspection) during assembly and again during the final quality check and even after that some would slip through.

I had a similar intermittent issue on a in my motorhome that turned out to be the slide controller board’s connectors getting bumped when loading and unloading a basement compartment. After a few weeks of it happening the slide finally got stuck closed and after spending three hours on the phone with the manufacture I got connected to a Test Engineer and together we were able to figure it out and reseat the board’s connectors.

Anyway, I hope it‘s this easy to fix for all of you having the issue…..
 
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These problems sure sound like they could be caused by loose or faulty connectors. That was probably the number one quality issue we had at the company I retired from (world‘s largest manufacturer of gaming (slot) and lottery machines) and we’d occasionally have similar issues with displays not working that was caused by poorly made, poorly designed or poorly assembled wiring connectors. The install crews would see it often after machine delivery via truck when loose connectors (not fully seated and “clicked” during assembly) would come even looser during transit and handling and things would stop working. First thing they’d do was make sure certain connectors were fully seated. It happened enough that it was a SI step (successive inspection) during assembly and again during the final quality check and even after that some would slip through.

I had a similar intermittent issue on a in my motorhome that turned out to be the slide controller board’s connectors getting bumped when loading and unloading a basement compartment. After a few weeks of it happening the slide finally got stuck closed and after spending three hours on the phone with the manufacture I got connected to a Test Engineer and together we were able to figure it out and reseat the board’s connectors.

Anyway, I hope it‘s this easy to fix for all of you having the issue…..
I don't doubt this at all - especially given that after six weeks of a black screen, for 15 minutes and for no reason at all, in the middle of a drive the screen re-illuminated and worked perfectly, only to be broken again the next time the Bronco was started. The dealer says they went through a full review of all of the connections, so I'm at a loss as to how to pursue that possibility further. My biggest concern frankly is the possibility they finally get me the new chip and upon install it either doesn't work or fails in the same way shortly after because of this kind of connection problem.
 

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I don't doubt this at all - especially given that after six weeks of a black screen, for 15 minutes and for no reason at all, in the middle of a drive the screen re-illuminated and worked perfectly, only to be broken again the next time the Bronco was started. The dealer says they went through a full review of all of the connections, so I'm at a loss as to how to pursue that possibility further. My biggest concern frankly is the possibility they finally get me the new chip and upon install it either doesn't work or fails in the same way shortly after because of this kind of connection problem.
It's not just a "chip" (i.e., semi-conductor). It's a computer module with a Central Processing Unit (CPU) that must be programmed and other chips on a printed circuit board, mounted in an aluminum housing with heat sink fins for cooling, and with multiple connectors to the various accessories that the system integrates and manages on the 12" screen. Hence the name Accessory Protocol Interface Module (APIM).

This is what it looks like on another Ford model (F-150 SYNC 4 APIM):

https://www.ebay.com/p/11050743973

Ford Bronco Serious Tech Issue - 12 Inch Touchscreen blacked out / bricked (by software update?) F-150 SYNC 4 APIM - 1 of 2
Ford Bronco Serious Tech Issue - 12 Inch Touchscreen blacked out / bricked (by software update?) F-150 SYNC 4 APIM - 2 of 2


It sits right behind the 12" screen, and to get to the multiple connectors you basically have to disassemble the entire dash and remove the screen, which I addressed in detail, and included the attached procedures from the Workshop Manual, in this prior post.

When technicians have checked the connector at the dealership during the troubleshooting phase, they have usually just checked the main connector C210 below the glove box and behind the right trim panel in the foot well (see location diagrams below), as well as run Pinpoint Tests (PPTs) on the APIM itself via the FDRS software package.

Ford Bronco Serious Tech Issue - 12 Inch Touchscreen blacked out / bricked (by software update?) C210 Location 1
Ford Bronco Serious Tech Issue - 12 Inch Touchscreen blacked out / bricked (by software update?) C210 Location 2
Ford Bronco Serious Tech Issue - 12 Inch Touchscreen blacked out / bricked (by software update?) C210 Location 3


I doubt any service technician that decided during troubleshooting that an APIM was bad has physically checked for loose connections on the module itself, given the difficulty of accessing the APIM behind the dash. Of course, they will obviously have to access the module when the replacement units arrive and have to be installed.
 
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These problems sure sound like they could be caused by loose or faulty connectors. That was probably the number one quality issue we had at the company I retired from (world‘s largest manufacturer of gaming (slot) and lottery machines) and we’d occasionally have similar issues with displays not working that was caused by poorly made, poorly designed or poorly assembled wiring connectors. The install crews would see it often after machine delivery via truck when loose connectors (not fully seated and “clicked” during assembly) would come even looser during transit and handling and things would stop working. First thing they’d do was make sure certain connectors were fully seated. It happened enough that it was a SI step (successive inspection) during assembly and again during the final quality check and even after that some would slip through.

I had a similar intermittent issue on a in my motorhome that turned out to be the slide controller board’s connectors getting bumped when loading and unloading a basement compartment. After a few weeks of it happening the slide finally got stuck closed and after spending three hours on the phone with the manufacture I got connected to a Test Engineer and together we were able to figure it out and reseat the board’s connectors.

Anyway, I hope it‘s this easy to fix for all of you having the issue…..
While a loose connector may explain @FJ 432's intermittent problems, I don't think it would explain my problems, since my vehicle history report suggests that the APIM could have been bricked during an OTA software update that failed. 🤷‍♂️
 
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It's not just a "chip" (i.e., semi-conductor). It's a computer module with a Central Processing Unit (CPU) that must be programmed and other chips on a printed circuit board, mounted in an aluminum housing with heat sink fins for cooling, and with multiple connectors to the various accessories that the system integrates and manages on the 12" screen. Hence the name Accessory Protocol Interface Manager (APIM).

This is what it looks like on another Ford model (F-150 SYNC 4 APIM):

https://www.ebay.com/p/11050743973

Ford Bronco Serious Tech Issue - 12 Inch Touchscreen blacked out / bricked (by software update?) C210 Location 3
Ford Bronco Serious Tech Issue - 12 Inch Touchscreen blacked out / bricked (by software update?) C210 Location 3


It sits right behind the 12" screen, and to get to the multiple connectors you basically have to disassemble the entire dash and remove the screen, which I addressed in detail, and included the attached procedures from the Workshop Manual, in this prior post.

When technicians have checked the connector at the dealership during the troubleshooting phase, they have usually just checked the main connector C210 below the glove box and behind the right trim panel in the foot well (see location diagrams below), as well as run Pinpoint Tests (PPTs) on the APIM itself via the FDRS software package.

Ford Bronco Serious Tech Issue - 12 Inch Touchscreen blacked out / bricked (by software update?) C210 Location 3
Ford Bronco Serious Tech Issue - 12 Inch Touchscreen blacked out / bricked (by software update?) C210 Location 3
Ford Bronco Serious Tech Issue - 12 Inch Touchscreen blacked out / bricked (by software update?) C210 Location 3


I doubt any service technician that decided during troubleshooting that an APIM was bad has physically checked for loose connections on the module itself, given the difficulty of accessing the APIM behind the dash. Of course, they will obviously have to access the module when the replacement units arrive and have to be installed.
This all makes a lot of sense to me, including that they didn’t likely check all the connections behind the dash. When (if?) the module ever arrives, would they necessarily have to confirm all those connections on the reinstall?
 

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This all makes a lot of sense to me, including that they didn’t likely check all the connections behind the dash. When (if?) the module ever arrives, would they necessarily have to confirm all those connections on the reinstall?
Yeah, they would have to physically disconnect each of the wire connectors on the old APIM and then reconnect those same wire connectors on the new APIM. Typically, you just push them into place until they bottom, and a retainer clip often audibly clicks to hold it in place.
 

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Dropped off the Bronco and manager said it’ll be 3-5 days before they’re even able to look at it because they are so backed up. He gave me a loaner vehicle which I appreciate. Here’s my ride to the next who knows how long.
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I literally walked in and said "Hi my name is Karen and i need to speak with the manager". I didn't even ask for a loaner car. We talked for 5 seconds, he left the room and came back with a loaner car for me. He was scared. You all make fun of Karens but I just want to thank you for creating us🤣
 

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Black screen here for almost 2 months. My dealer had it for a week and did take the dash apart. I assume they checked all loose connections. Have a ticket with the dealer and the Ford PR contact here at Bronco6G. Ford PR was very receptive and got a call from Ford a few days later. Sadly just sitting waiting for a part with no ETA...
 

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Crap.
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Sorry to hear this. Did they confirm if the order processed or if it's still on backorder for you?
I did not replay more than what you see. I’ll wait for an update.
 

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