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Hey fellas,

I am curious how you all think the jump from Badlands to Warthog will be comparable to a base F150 to a Raptor.

To me the F150 is absolutely just a basic truck in performance, off road ability, looks, etc... Whereas the Raptor adds serious off-road ability AND speed AND much different styling. Worlds apart.

To me, the base Bronco already seems very off road capable and attractive. It might be slower and I get that but for me the speed of the thing is irrelevant as long as it isn't anemic.

So, do you all think that it will be worth waiting for the Warthog if speed/performance is irrelevant? The fact that it seems like the Warthog will have much bigger tires, probably cool off road goodies, and possibly even better styling might be worth waiting..... But I am a bit concerned that it will mainly just be a hopped up engine. Plus, 60k is already steep for a base Bronco, not excited about paying 70+ for a Wathog.


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I think it's pretty safe to say the gap in performance from a standard 4x4 F-150 to the Raptor is bigger than it will be going from Badlands to a Warthog. It'll have a bit more power and more capable suspension, but the badlands already has upgraded suspension components over a standard Bronco. The Warthog will shine in high speed off-road situations where the live valve shocks can shine.
 

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I can only give my point of view as someone who is getting a Badlands:

A) I own an F-150 (2011). I've seen the Raptor, obviously. There are some things that are cool about it. Nothing I've seen made me want to pay the $20,000+ (now closer to 35k) more than I did for my truck. Mine tows a travel trailer through the mountains, pulls into traffic just fine, passes, drives 80 MPH, and better yet, mine HAS a V8 so it doesn't need to pipe in vroom-vroom noises.

B) "Raptor" and "Warthog" are just names that really don't resound with me. I feel it falls between cutesy and silly. To be fair I'm not into corporate tattoos (Monster Energy Drink ink, seriously?), Monster Trucks, or the Matchbox Car experience (It changes color in WATER!)

C) I recently watched a drag race between a Raptor and an F150 Hybrid. It was basically neck and neck. Let me reiterate: the ULTIMATE F150 is comparable to the more Eco-Friendly Hybrid F150!

So what is it the Raptor is really bringing to the table? I question how much "better" this Warthog is going to be compared to the MY 1 Broncos. I'm not driving my Badlands in the Indy 500, driving on the surface of the Sun, nor crossing zombie-infested landscapes. I'm doubting the Warthog experience is going to do so much more than the Bronco I am getting.

But honestly, if it is the version that will last 1 million miles and can drive to Europe from California, I'm not worried. Hakuna Matata.
 

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Well I think you could probably compare a base to a standard f150 4x4. The bronco being smaller has a inherent advantage but in certain elements the f150 would still have advantages. The big bend and obx are like a xlt. The blsck diamond is your fx4 model. The tremor fits in with the badlands. Again size changes its elements but a tremor would potentially get through certain things as good or better when loaded with 1000lbs. So really the Warthog is right inline with the Raptor. I will say that because it is a lil smaller and better distributed weight it will accel past the raptor in situtations similar to what the base would beat out the standard f150 in.
 

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I think it's pretty safe to say the gap in performance from a standard 4x4 F-150 to the Raptor is bigger than it will be going from Badlands to a Warthog. It'll have a bit more power and more capable suspension, but the badlands already has upgraded suspension components over a standard Bronco. The Warthog will shine in high speed off-road situations where the live valve shocks can shine.
Where does fx4 and tremor fall in there?
 

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To me the Raptor engine does have better hp and tq numbers. A few tweaks and add-ons on my 3.5 FX4 beats the stock Raptor in a race. For me where the Raptor shines is with its desert suspension. For a stock truck (Raptor) it is quite phenomenal. We are not going to get the "Raptor" ride or suspension with the Badlands or the Wildtrack. I hope the Warthog does give us the "Raptor" capability, comfort, performance and ride.
 

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Maybe I am seeing this all wrong as a novice to serious offroading but I see the BL as more fit for trails and the raptor/warthog as more baja style. Wildtrack on steroids. I have no doubts that I will be pleased with the BL for my use in hunting in the Rockies and everyday driving.
 

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IMO for 95% of folks it's all an ego pissing contest. Most folks don't take their Raptors off road into anything near what the truck is capable of. Most Jeep Gladiators and Wranglers are mall crawlers with 40" tires. It's who's got the bling and zing.

For the folks where this stuff matters, and do the hardcore stuff, the 2.7 motor will be more than adequate especially after a tune. It's the suspension and axles where the biggest differences will be and the hardcore folks will want to install their own custom everything including axles and gears. I bet the 2.3 motor guys with mansquatch will do more hardcore off-roading than the 2.7 squatch guys, or the Warthog for that matter.

I could be wrong lol. I've been before!
 

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From my source at map rn it’ll msrp at 60k. But I’m assuming how the raptor msrp’s at 53k that dealers will mark the price up quite a bit. We’ll see how ford handles the release
 

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I'm with Lexx a couple of posts above in believing that the Warthog (or whatever silly name they hang on it) is just an ultra-glorified mall crawler. It will appeal to the "mine is bigger than yours" crowd. Hard-core off roaders will chuckle at the overall width....which will hurt rather than help in 9 out of 10 real-world situations.
 

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No way my friend -- KH-59, the Warthog will draw the same crowd as the Raptor. The Warthog will actually perform well in the desert. I will leave the mall crawlers to their coffee-can exhaust systems like the ones we have all seen on civics and acuras.
 
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I'm with Lexx a couple of posts above in believing that the Warthog (or whatever silly name they hang on it) is just an ultra-glorified mall crawler. It will appeal to the "mine is bigger than yours" crowd. Hard-core off roaders will chuckle at the overall width....which will hurt rather than help in 9 out of 10 real-world situations.
I imagine the Raptor/Warthog crowd will just roll their eyes when the “hard-core off roaders chuckle”, knowing the Warthog is designed for a different application than tight trail off-roading.

The warthog seems to get a lot of hate from some folks on here. I don’t see wanting it as any more ridiculous than a wanting badlands. Both are crazy expensive for a toy and also great for their application. The application of the badlands being hardcore off-roading and the application of the warthog being high speed in a off-road suv.
 
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I still say 90% of Raptor owners have never used it for anything that a regular F150 4x4 couldn’t have done.......

It’ll be same with Widehog, just an ego-stroking toy for 90%.
 

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The Raptor is one of the slower pickups I have ever owned...on the pavement. Now off road, it will travel at speeds that my other trucks would not survive for long and the Raptor eats it up like it was nothing.

the warthog will depend on how much Ford performance is involved.
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