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Still trying to figure out how this all EV revolution for Stellantis doesn’t result in Bankruptcy. Too expensive and too limited in use unless that 500 Mike range claim turns out to be accurate.
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Still trying to figure out how this all EV revolution for Stellantis doesn’t result in Bankruptcy. Too expensive and too limited in use unless that 500 Mike range claim turns out to be accurate.
They might go bankrupt before shipping their first EV in North America.

Stellantis shot themselves in the foot by destroying their bread and butter... Wrangler, Grand Cherokee, and RAM trucks have lost 30% of their sales in 3-4 years. They overpriced their products and let competitors - Bronco, Tundra, Telluride, etc. steal all their sales.
 

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They might go bankrupt before shipping their first EV in North America.

Stellantis shot themselves in the foot by destroying their bread and butter... Wrangler, Grand Cherokee, and RAM trucks have lost 30% of their sales in 3-4 years. They overpriced their products and let competitors - Bronco, Tundra, Telluride, etc. steal all their sales.
Agreed. The North American arm of the Stelantis machine was killing itself long before they said anything about electric cars.
 

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Turns out, size does matter.


Nobody gives a hsit about EVs. What we care about is having them shoved down our throats as the sole choice, by people who have no idea how the world works and don't care, people who listen to Greta Thunberg as if she's some all-seeing shaman who is the bastion of Truth or something.

If EVs are the symbol of that lunacy (the same level of lunacy that happened during covid--do you still have your shot card and passport that lets you walk outside without being arrested by the Gestapo? do you iPhone users still have your shot passports?), then it's no wonder the EVs themselves are catching the hsit.
This is a weird response to a thread about a Jeep.
 

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This is a weird response to a thread about a Jeep.
That's a weird response to a post that directly responds to another post.

Did you actually read the post I responded to?

Oh, wait--no. No you didn't.
 

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Turns out, size does matter.


Nobody gives a hsit about EVs. What we care about is having them shoved down our throats as the sole choice, by people who have no idea how the world works and don't care, people who listen to Greta Thunberg as if she's some all-seeing shaman who is the bastion of Truth or something.

If EVs are the symbol of that lunacy (the same level of lunacy that happened during covid--do you still have your shot card and passport that lets you walk outside without being arrested by the Gestapo? do you iPhone users still have your shot passports?), then it's no wonder the EVs themselves are catching the hsit.
You're being persecuted from every direction. Tough life.
 

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You're being persecuted from every direction. Tough life.
Not paying any attention in life, are you.

Back to your point: I responded DIRECTLY to the question at hand, and you...what? Ridiculed that fact that I responded directly to the question at hand?

It's not that people don't like EVs. That would be silly not to like an inanimate object. But this is what the world has come to: "you don't like having EVs shoved down your throat, therefore I'm going to switch the conversation and declare that you hate EVs!" Stop switching the conversation when it becomes inconvenient for you to discuss the ACTUAL topic at hand.
 

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Not paying any attention in life, are you.

Back to your point: I responded DIRECTLY to the question at hand, and you...what? Ridiculed that fact that I responded directly to the question at hand?

It's not that people don't like EVs. That would be silly not to like an inanimate object. But this is what the world has come to: "you don't like having EVs shoved down your throat, therefore I'm going to switch the conversation and declare that you hate EVs!" Stop switching the conversation when it becomes inconvenient for you to discuss the ACTUAL topic at hand.
Who is shoving an EV down your throat?
 

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Definitely no surprise, as most manufacturers tend to borrow their ideas from others, Bronco excluded...
Yes. Certainly the Bronco doesn’t borrow from…say…the Wrangler.
 

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How much are they betting the farm on this thing? Stalantis isn’t exactly hitting it out of the park these days. At least right now, EV sales are still in a big chill, incentives in various forms are keeping most afloat, at least it looks this way from the outside looking in. Ford stopped producing Lightenings until next year, and Tesla keeps discounting to piss off existing customers who purchased at retail to lure buyers on the fringe. Rivian never hit it mark and I think this Ricon was supposed to be Jeeps “look at our EV” moment.🤷‍♂️ It seems this thing was built by decisions made in Europe (most likely years ago when they had strong sales & the EV spring was blossoming)versus made in the US, understanding US customers? I’m sure it will sell but I have a hard time believing it’ll sell in the numbers that they originally intended, hope. It’s ok looking, doubt it’s affordable, looks like another box with big wheels, sort of a Honda Prologue, lifted with bigger tires…….not exactly exciting.
 

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Tesla keeps discounting to piss off existing customers who purchased at retail to lure buyers on the fringe.
If you bought at the height of the insanity, and are surprised (and upset) that once the frantic early adopters are satisfied the company lowers prices to attract those who weren't interested at the higher prices, here's your sign.
 

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Looks nice for a family kid-hauler. I wonder how far it can go on a "tank" of electricity?

Friend of mine has a Mach-E. Its range is about 330 in the summer, and about 220 in the winter... and I'm here in NorCal (i.e. not really THAT cold).

I mean... I can understand a hybrid, but a fully electric EV?

I'm sure it will be popular in places like SF or Sacramento, but I don't expect to see any off-road as most charging stations are only built into the largest trees (he says sarcastically).
 

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Props to Jeep for getting a clean sheet EV to market ahead of their peers (not including direct to consumer manufacturers like Rivian, Tesla, etc). If Ford starts taking reservations for an EV Bronco, I'll be a Day 1 reservation holder like I was for the ICE version.
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