The insanity of the manual trans Sasquatch pricing

[calgecko]

Exactly the point I'm at right now. Base badlands and call it a day.

my understanding is that 35's can be thrown on a Badlands and only be marginally different in height from a Sasquatch... right?

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[mikey_photo]

Yeah this is true.

Although, in my opinion, we’re talking about less than half of an inch of lift, which you can solve fairly easily with some spacers that cost a few hundred dollars.

I would also be more inclined to get the Sasquatch package if it actually came with real beadlock wheels/tires... but unfortunately DOT doesn’t allow that. That said, for those who really want the beadlock-capable wheels, they are available as a standalone option on the Badlands trim for $995. For most people, the $995 cost is probably still going to be worth it if you factor in the sway-bar disconnect.

The 3rd brake light is an interesting problem though—going to have to look into that one more. I‘ve seen several people on YouTube that have slapped on 37s on their base Badlands, and as far as I know they didn’t have to do anything special with the 3rd brake light. BUT, it seems like they must of done something, so I’m going to go back and watch some old videos to see what they did to solve that problem.

I haven’t done 35’s yet with my Badlands (non Squatch) but have been watching a lot of videos on people upgrading without much issue on the other (non BL) trims. This video shows both 35’s on an OBX and also that the 35 fits with the brake light. It looks a little snug, but works. I also think rough country makes a bracket extender for the 3rd brake light. Edit to add: the brake light extended is RC and $25.

https://www.roughcountry.com/bronco...0k_vqQPsjPCAYNok99DnzYNam_zk-gH4aAgwOEALw_wcB

 

[Jhuff]

My main concern is Ford voiding warranties for the drivetrain when I do a lift kit for the 35’s. In your past experience did that happen with your mods?

Fortunately, I never had to do a warranty claim on those vehicles. I ate a couple CV boots then joints after 80,000 miles, but I had exceeded the limitations of the suspension a bit.

There are specific warranty laws that allow consumers to replace components with similar parts (a napa timing belt v Ford timing belt won't void a warranty). I would bet that adding a lift that is equivalent to Ford's own should be coverable.... But the dealer could always try to fight it. I definitely do not disagree with your logic... Stress-free repairs would be great.

 

[Jhuff]

Wide tires don't help in snow (Tire Rack's snow tire guide recommends reducing section width when ordering snow tires), but the main issue is that M/T tires don't have have sufficient siping to provide traction in light/snow ice. They are fine in deep snow, due to the deep tread blocks. Every single time we get a quarter inch of snow on the roads, I see MULTIPLE 4x4s stuck in the ditch/median, always equipped with wide M/T tires; it's the biggest issue plaguing the 4x4 community that no one talks about, probably because they are too embarrassed to talk about it when it happens to them.

BFGoodrich even has this disclaimer on all the online tire retailers for their M/T tires:
" While Off-Road Maximum Traction tires, which are often called mud tires, are branded with the M+S symbol and able to churn through deep snow, their typical oversize applications and the absence of snow-biting sipes in their large smooth lugs can challenge their on-road wintertime traction on packed snow and icy surfaces. "

There are many articles supporting this, but here's one:
Mud tires in snow

I can concede these points, but there are also many good "4x4 tires" for the snow. My duratracs, for example, are exceptional in slick environments, whether skinny or wide.

I don't have any studies, but I always corellated trucks in the ditch with poor weight distribution over the rear.

 

[BroncoAZ]

Fortunately, I never had to do a warranty claim on those vehicles. I ate a couple CV boots then joints after 80,000 miles, but I had exceeded the limitations of the suspension a bit.

There are specific warranty laws that allow consumers to replace components with similar parts (a napa timing belt v Ford timing belt won't void a warranty). I would bet that adding a lift that is equivalent to Ford's own should be coverable.... But the dealer could always try to fight it. I definitely do not disagree with your logic... Stress-free repairs would be great.

Good luck fighting the beast with just the Magnuson-Moss Act. Many have tried but few have succeeded. Ultimately Ford has more lawyers and resources than an individual and would be happy to drain you to win their case while locking up the truck you’re still making payments on as ”evidence”. I wouldn’t take your bet about warranty covering “a lift that is equivalent to Ford’s own”, it’s a modification not sold and installed by Ford. The toughest issue is when the dealership modifies a truck, you buy it new but already modified, then you have problems. Ford will wash their hands of it, the dealership will also try to escape liability, the consumer is stuck holding a bag of shit.

 

[Busterbronco1]

Sasquatch gives you the 4.7 axle final drive ratios . Makes a big difference and would be quite expensive if you actually go buy the axles and install them yourself.

 

[Herbie]

Wow, I never noticed this in '21 ordering process -
Maybe Ford really is trying to discourage people from ordering SAS w MT -
So the 'crazy' Sasquatch prices we see now '22 may be for real -

Edit :
Until more clarification - for now I restored the 'crazy' Sasquatch prices in Corrected Price List we made a few days ago -

It seems Ford really is telling people "If you add Sasquatch, then we'll throw-in Automatic Transmission - No Charge"

There isn't any question any longer that the SAS prices are correct. People all day have been reporting that they placed their 22 orders and the SAS pricing is real? I am one of them. I re-ordered at my dealers yesterday, added SAS to my Manual Transmission BL and it was $4,090 on my DORA. Can we stop talking about the atrocious ass cost of the manual SAS finally, it's real .

 

[RagnarKon]

Sasquatch gives you the 4.7 axle final drive ratios . Makes a big difference and would be quite expensive if you actually go buy the axles and install them yourself.

Base Badlands trim with the manual transmission comes with the 4.7 axle ratio standard.

 

[99FRC]

wider flares and “Sasquatch“ on the fender badge prolly make up the majority of the added cost right?
JK

 

[cbrownabq]

Have we confirmed with a dealer that 4-door base Sasquatch can’t come with manual or is it a B+P error??

 

[RagnarKon]

Have we confirmed with a dealer that 4-door base Sasquatch can’t come with manual or is it a B+P error??

That’s been confirmed by Ford’s Mike Levine. Same restriction as last year, you can only get a manual transmission on a 2dr base.

 

[atonge40]

As a base 2.7 Sasquatch 2 door, the Sasquatch and auto trans combo is the only way to get the A4 AWD feature which is a must.

BaseSquatch
2.7
2 door
Modular bumper
Aux switches
41k from my dealer

You get 4A with the 7 speed and Sasquatch.

I am kicking around the idea of going to the 2.7/AT, but I'll probably keep my basemansquatch order as is. It's everything I want in a Bronco.

 

[atonge40]

That is good news. Has anyone place an order for a BaseManSquatch and been able to confirm the pricing?

Yeah. I can confirm it. It's $6590 for the Sasquatch package on a base 2 door manual. The 4A ups the vehicle price to $30,095. You are then at $36,685 without any options or destination.

 

[Rivers90]

Have we confirmed with a dealer that 4-door base Sasquatch can’t come with manual or is it a B+P error??

The base 4 door comes with auto standard. No way to remove it no mater what options you may pick.

 

[RagnarKon]

For those who may still watching this thread...

The Bronco Nation folks talked to their Ford contacts and have confirmed that the pricing as it appears on Build & Price is the real pricing for the manual transmission with the Sasquatch package.

I have also talked to my dealer's sales manager in regards to the Mansquatch pricing, and he has also confirmed separately with his dealer rep that the pricing is accurate. He shared in my frustration, as he too had planned on getting the Sasquatch package for his personal Big Bend.

Ford's official stance is that the Sasquatch package pricing has not increased since 2021 because the Sasquatch package always included the automatic transmission. Obviously that means us manual transmission folks get forced to draw the short straw and effectively have to pay for an automatic transmission we are not getting.

Sucks, but unless Ford has a chance of heart... it is what it is.

I don't consider myself the ultimately authority on this sorta stuff, but my personal recommendations remains the same as they were on the first post for manual transmission users:

• Base 2-door Mansquatch orders are pricey, but it still kind of makes sense considering the standard Base 2-door is lacking most of the important off-road features.
• Big Bend and Black Diamond Mansquatch orders should just upgrade to Badlands w/o Sasquatch. Better bang-for-your-buck.
• Badlands Mansquatch is overpriced by around $1000-$2000, but may be worth it if you really care about recieving it ready-to-go from the factory. Up to you.

Personally, I submitted my Badlands non-Sas order on yesterday, with the optional $1000 beadlock-capable wheels. I'll probably stick with factory tires for a year or two to let the global supply issues resolve themselves... then I'll be looking at 35s. Probably Nitto Ridge Grapplers or maybe just a larger set of KO2s... but we'll see what prices are like in the future.

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