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So I have been doing some estimations on different curb weights for various builds since I need a good bit of payload. I’ll send an update around later. But as I’m going through this, it caught me.
Why did Ford say there could be delays due to high demand on say a 2.7L or Sasquatch. I always thought it was odd that the engine would cause delays since they already have the engine across other models (granted it needs to be tuned specific to the Bronco). I don’t think it’s due to demand. It’s due to weight and GVWR. Ford also said that you “really want to wait until 2022” on ordering a 4 dr Sasquatch to get a roof rack for added weight.
These are all signals that for 2022, either weight will be improved (such as aluminum bumpers over steel, or some other weight savings) and/or a higher GVWR (some say this could be tied to a Warthog lending to increased GVWR for certain Broncos).
Pair that together - and boom - certain builds will not be delayed due to demand, but will rather get pushed out to 2022 for whatever weight/GVWR improvement is needed in 2022. Ford is simply buying time. It may have little to do with demand.
But what about the First Edition? A ha. They’ve made it evident that towing capacity is locked out. They can’t delay that model. But it’s only specific the First Edition. Whereas if you were to option out a Badlands 4 dr 2.7 Sasquatch with a bunch of options and towing they’d probably kick it back to 2022.
if the heaviest 4 door 2.7l is 5320. We could back into a couple things from Ford website and general logic. The 2.7L is a heavier engine. 152 lb heavier based on Fords numbers. Also, a Black Diamond and Badlands have probably 200+ lbs of added weight from steel bumpers, bash plates and sliders. And what’s the difference between a 4 door 2.7 Badlands sas vs non sas? Not much. Maybe within 100-150 lbs. Similar suspension and the 35” tires are also C load, so it’s just some added weight in the tires and misc parts.
So a heavily built 4 dr 2.7 non sas badlands may be almost 5200 lbs. And the sas version at 5300. Then winch, towing capacity etc makes things worse and it could get kicked to 2022.
A Wildtrak is probably weighs less than a 2.7 non sas BL. So what builds are too heavy that they may get kicked out to 2022 to get improved weight/GVWR
4 door 2.7 BL sas
4 door 2.7 BD sas
4 door 2.7 BL non sas with heavy options or towing etc
or anything heavily built up that gets up there in weight. Like maybe a 4 dr sas OBX with steel bumper, etc.
Hence the need to say that some 2.7L and sasquatches may be delayed.
Then think about what models we have seen at MAP - sasquatches have been Wildtrack, OBX etc. have we seen a 4 dr Sasquatch paired with the 200+ lbs of armor on a BL or a BD in 4 door trim? I don’t think so. And if we did, maybe they had fewer options checked off.
So I think some things Ford is saying about delays due to high demand may also be about kicking heavier models out to 2022 until they resolve the weight/GVWR.
Could be wrong. Or right...however they could still working on resolving this now for 2021. Or maybe they have more workarounds with DIO to keep the weight down on the vehicle when it leaves the factory and the payload sticker is printed.
This all clicked with me, so figured I would put it out there.
Why did Ford say there could be delays due to high demand on say a 2.7L or Sasquatch. I always thought it was odd that the engine would cause delays since they already have the engine across other models (granted it needs to be tuned specific to the Bronco). I don’t think it’s due to demand. It’s due to weight and GVWR. Ford also said that you “really want to wait until 2022” on ordering a 4 dr Sasquatch to get a roof rack for added weight.
These are all signals that for 2022, either weight will be improved (such as aluminum bumpers over steel, or some other weight savings) and/or a higher GVWR (some say this could be tied to a Warthog lending to increased GVWR for certain Broncos).
Pair that together - and boom - certain builds will not be delayed due to demand, but will rather get pushed out to 2022 for whatever weight/GVWR improvement is needed in 2022. Ford is simply buying time. It may have little to do with demand.
But what about the First Edition? A ha. They’ve made it evident that towing capacity is locked out. They can’t delay that model. But it’s only specific the First Edition. Whereas if you were to option out a Badlands 4 dr 2.7 Sasquatch with a bunch of options and towing they’d probably kick it back to 2022.
if the heaviest 4 door 2.7l is 5320. We could back into a couple things from Ford website and general logic. The 2.7L is a heavier engine. 152 lb heavier based on Fords numbers. Also, a Black Diamond and Badlands have probably 200+ lbs of added weight from steel bumpers, bash plates and sliders. And what’s the difference between a 4 door 2.7 Badlands sas vs non sas? Not much. Maybe within 100-150 lbs. Similar suspension and the 35” tires are also C load, so it’s just some added weight in the tires and misc parts.
So a heavily built 4 dr 2.7 non sas badlands may be almost 5200 lbs. And the sas version at 5300. Then winch, towing capacity etc makes things worse and it could get kicked to 2022.
A Wildtrak is probably weighs less than a 2.7 non sas BL. So what builds are too heavy that they may get kicked out to 2022 to get improved weight/GVWR
4 door 2.7 BL sas
4 door 2.7 BD sas
4 door 2.7 BL non sas with heavy options or towing etc
or anything heavily built up that gets up there in weight. Like maybe a 4 dr sas OBX with steel bumper, etc.
Hence the need to say that some 2.7L and sasquatches may be delayed.
Then think about what models we have seen at MAP - sasquatches have been Wildtrack, OBX etc. have we seen a 4 dr Sasquatch paired with the 200+ lbs of armor on a BL or a BD in 4 door trim? I don’t think so. And if we did, maybe they had fewer options checked off.
So I think some things Ford is saying about delays due to high demand may also be about kicking heavier models out to 2022 until they resolve the weight/GVWR.
Could be wrong. Or right...however they could still working on resolving this now for 2021. Or maybe they have more workarounds with DIO to keep the weight down on the vehicle when it leaves the factory and the payload sticker is printed.
This all clicked with me, so figured I would put it out there.
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