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Definitely harder on tools. Compared to aluminum basically everything is expensive to machine.

I recall when Quinn mentioned investigating cast aluminum as a cheaper option, I still like that idea for the bulk of the upright, it could save a ton on surface machining cost and overall cost allowing you to invest more in beefing up (with steel or otherwise) the more critical joint areas.

Or keep just the core gearbox 7075 aluminum with extremely beefy bolt-to interface flanges/brackets that you bolt on a steel weldment structure to, let the weldment handle all the suspension hardpoints and vehicle model variability. Then again, welding introduces a whole other manufacturing cost which requires expertise.

Actually, I think it would be pretty slick for 74weld to offer the portal gearbox ready to go with its own modular mounting infrastructure. Then folks could build all kinds of custom steel uprights for whatever projects they have, or other vendors could specialize in uprights for various niche platforms. i'd buy that.
Personally I could go with steel, I prefer the Aluminum for weight as long as it matches the strength per design requirements.... BUT Cast iron? No way in hell. Cast Iron is very appropriate for some applications, But in this application, no way. All you have to do is come down hard on a rock and you could split the thing wide open. Cast Iron does not show signs of failure... It just fails period. It is also a problem for welding... Steel would be far superior.
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Most definitely ductility decreases with most cast metals. This doesn’t matter if you never reach the plastic yield point (good factors of safety). When engineering design can provide beefed up high stress areas then casting is a viable solution. Just an alternative design methodology to just throwing the best most expensive material at the solution from the get go.
Good pints but I still would not trust it in this situation. You are right much higher yield but no give what so ever.
 

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Personally I could go with steel, I prefer the Aluminum for weight as long as it matches the strength per design requirements.... BUT Cast iron? No way in hell. Cast Iron is very appropriate for some applications, But in this application, no way. All you have to do is come down hard on a rock and you could split the thing wide open. Cast Iron does not show signs of failure... It just fails period. It is also a problem for welding... Steel would be far superior.

I've seen a few of these in my days on this earth.

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Good pints but I still would not trust it in this situation. You are right much higher yield but no give what so ever.
I agree with you. I wouldn’t want a cast part in high stress areas. ESPECIALLY when the loading levels are so difficult to predict. Just saying when precise loads are known casting is a very good solution.

I may change my username to “friendOfCasting” 🤣
 

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I've seen a few of these in my days on this earth.

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high stress area with likely poor knowledge of loading conditions. Bad combination for casting. But there are good combinations. I am going to start a friendsOfCasting coffee club.
 

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I've seen a few of these in my days on this earth.

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Again... THAT is a problem I am worried about. BUT because that has only happened on recently manufactured portals which have had very little use time (the way I understand it - I could be wrong) and NONE of the early models have ever reported a problem remotely like this (the way I understand it - I could be wrong), suggests to me there has been a change in the material. I do not know why there would have been a change but the material seems to be failing since the same design with earlier materials seems to be holding up just fine... Just an observation based on very limited information.
 

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Personally I could go with steel, I prefer the Aluminum for weight as long as it matches the strength per design requirements.... BUT Cast iron? No way in hell. Cast Iron is very appropriate for some applications, But in this application, no way. All you have to do is come down hard on a rock and you could split the thing wide open. Cast Iron does not show signs of failure... It just fails period. It is also a problem for welding... Steel would be far superior.
Totally agree, I think people often confuse cast iron and cast steel. Both have their place but cast steel is vastly superior for something like this. But still not my ideal choice.

Regardless, I'd rather keep it aluminum with appropriate design or involve steel in sheet metal design like the uprights and joint pads. It can be weight efficient when engineered properly.
 

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I agree with you. I wouldn’t want a cast part in high stress areas. ESPECIALLY when the loading levels are so difficult to predict. Just saying when precise loads are known casting is a very good solution.

I may change my username to “friendOfCasting” 🤣
I will agree that casting is the better solution in some circumstances... Like brake calipers.... although you have weight issues you should be able to predict force requirements.
 

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Again... THAT is a problem I am worried about. BUT because that has only happened on recently manufactured portals which have had very little use time (the way I understand it - I could be wrong) and NONE of the early models have ever reported a problem remotely like this (the way I understand it - I could be wrong), suggests to me there has been a change in the material. I do not know why there would have been a change but the material seems to be failing since the same design with earlier materials seems to be holding up just fine... Just an observation based on very limited information.

I was just posting a pic to agree with you. You posted about "coming down on a rock" I've seen transmission mounting "ears" on the block break off because of some nasty hole shots. Car hooks hard off the starting line, next thing you know the guys is looking at his car in the pits, "I dunno something just doesn't feel right". 😁
 

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Again... THAT is a problem I am worried about. BUT because that has only happened on recently manufactured portals which have had very little use time (the way I understand it - I could be wrong) and NONE of the early models have ever reported a problem remotely like this (the way I understand it - I could be wrong), suggests to me there has been a change in the material. I do not know why there would have been a change but the material seems to be failing since the same design with earlier materials seems to be holding up just fine... Just an observation based on very limited information.
New internet acronym dropping:
TWIUI-ICBW

Has me wondering if there were any batches between the bracket failure and now the structural failures.

Meanwhile first batch guys be like

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Again... THAT is a problem I am worried about. BUT because that has only happened on recently manufactured portals which have had very little use time (the way I understand it - I could be wrong) and NONE of the early models have ever reported a problem remotely like this (the way I understand it - I could be wrong), suggests to me there has been a change in the material. I do not know why there would have been a change but the material seems to be failing since the same design with earlier materials seems to be holding up just fine... Just an observation based on very limited information.
Another observation.... IF that material were meeting the 7075 strength that is reported by Alcoa, I would have expected the tensile in that material to have caused some deformation, some bending, something.... That broke off like it was really brittle... Not what I would expect from a 7075. That is what a cast product looks like when it fails....

The more I look at that pic... (low def) that is looking like it was cast.... Where did that pic come from.??? That is a cast part
 
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Another observation.... IF that material were meeting the 7075 strength that is reported by Alcoa, I would have expected the tensile in that material to have caused some deformation, some bending, something.... That broke off like it was really brittle... Not what I would expect from a 7075. That is what a cast product looks like when it fails.
I thought it looked like cast aluminum.
 

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I will agree that casting is the better solution in some circumstances...
I can gracefully exit the thread now and immediately cease my campaign of disinformation. 🤣


Has me wondering if there were any batches between the bracket failure and now the structural failures.

Meanwhile first batch guys be like

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exactly.
 

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Plus you can cook cornbread in them while camping...
Little baling wire and that cast iron portal could be a Dutch Oven. At this point portals make me think of survival situations.
 
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