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Couple of things:

There are millions/billions being spent on putting in charging stations across the country by the federal government. In my neck of the woods I've noticed a huge increase in areas to charge at over the past 12 months...local Wawas getting Tesla SuperChargers and Targets putting in Level 2 chargers in their parking lots...we have a decent penetration of EVs in the area...mostly Teslas and Mach Es.

Electric power generation by more green methods is being rolled out across the country. I've driven from San Antonio to Kingsville TX and the amount of windmills being put in is crazy...they keep multiplying every time I go there. My home state has about 50% of its power from nukes with the rest being Natural Gas and smaller (10%) being renewables and other things. The governor wants to get rid of NG by 2035, which I find laughable, esp with the off shore Wind Turbine project running into major issues. The biggest issue with renewables is storing the power-lots of mechanical battery options out there, but no one has nailed down the most effective/efficient way of doing it yet to store that extra power.

I saw the current administration wants 50% of new car sales to be EVs by 2030....I'd say that is possible (we are at 7% currently I think) but pricing needs to come down to what an equivalent ICE product costs and the charging situation needs to be improved across the country.
I've driven by plenty of wind turbines(some farms multiple times), and they are idle more times than rotating.

Do the blades actually rotate where you are?
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Does it matter, honestly do you care? It appears that your only post have been to this thread....nothing else, not in power, tech, market, etc., you seem to have an agenda. Fine, run with it.
Pretty sure I made a couple of posts in the 9/25 ordering thread as that’s when I’m slated to go into production (obviously that’s not happening now and I have to wait)

The Power thread doesn’t interest me in the slightest as I’m not particularly interested in talking about small displacement V6s lol.

I find it incredibly fascinating that you continue to make claims with nothing more than thoughts and feelings to support them, I own more ICE vehicles than EV. Hell I even support rewriting CAFE rules to allow more V8s to exist but I don’t engage in wishy washy nonsense with no substance or support.
 

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I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. If I had to pay the laborer's that built my house enough for them to afford it I wouldn't be able to afford it myself. Are we now going to ensure that all UAW members can afford to buy $100,000+ BRaptor's? Won't that turn them into $150,000 Braptor's?
It has a lot to do with everything you “used” to be able to do that.
 

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It has a lot to do with everything you “used” to be able to do that.
You used to be able to do a LOT of things . . . but saying "We used to be able to do that" isn't a valid base for an arguement.
 

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And most people worked on farms and didn't commute into work either back then.

But your assuming the Taxpayers don't have a use for an EV...but yet they will be "forced" into buying one in say 10-12 years because CAFE will force car companies to make EVs only.

All the government is doing is greasing the wheels to make the change over easier
I'm not assuming the taxpayers don't have a use for an EV, they will tell you they don't have a use if someone is listening.
In my state 70% of the folks are against the mandates for EVs. They aren't against EVs for other folks just not for them.
And I'm sure while the government is "greasing the wheels" they're "greasing a few palms" as well.;) On our dime.
 

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You used to be able to do a LOT of things . . . but saying "We used to be able to do that" isn't a valid base for an arguement.
It’s the base for the argument that CEO pay has exploded and worker pay hasn’t.
 

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The biggest stoppage of Nuclear isn’t just the environmentalist but the oil lobby.
Microgeneration as in rooftop solar for homes or community solar.
Solar is a LONG time away from completely powering a standard home. We don't have enough efficiency or enough storage. It is not oil stopping nuclear, it's regulation and fear. You think oil cared about nuclear power vs coal for the last 40 years?
 

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In my state 70% of the folks are against the mandates for EVs. They aren't against EVs for other folks just not for them.
They are?

https://delawarelive.com/dnrec-hears-mostly-support-for-ev-mandate/

Of the over 130 people scheduled to speak during the four-hour session, around 40 spoke for the regulations and 11 spoke against. Over 50 people who signed up to speak were absent from the hearing, which had people commenting at DNREC’s office and through Zoom.
Small sample size yada yada
 

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Yes, but right now those rapid chargers are only available to Tesla owners. Where I live there are NO non-telsa charging stations within a 50 mile radius. We have had two Plug in Hybrids. First a Lincoln Aviator, and now a Wrangle 4xE. We have a level two charger at home and it takes around 2-3 hrs to charge just for the 22 miles available.
interesting - there are plenty of non Tesla level 2 chargers near me. Of the 11 level 2 chargers within 20 miles of my work, 4 are Tesla, so less than half. I do wonder how many have federal funding and how many are just installed as part of the business model.

Looks like Charge point & EV passport are the two big brands that are not Tesla around here

Edit: not sure where you are but focusing on the beach I see 19 level 2 stations, 9 are Tesla.
So seems to be a similar ratio 🤷‍♂️
 
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It’s the base for the argument that CEO pay has exploded and worker pay hasn’t.
Market sets the range-there are much fewer people "qualified" to be CEOs then their are to fill in as a factory worker.

Yeah I know some CEOs are terrible, but that is what the market justifies. That is also not a reason why Autoworkers should get some additional competstation, which is deserved.
 

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I'm not assuming the taxpayers don't have a use for an EV, they will tell you they don't have a use if someone is listening.
In my state 70% of the folks are against the mandates for EVs. They aren't against EVs for other folks just not for them.
And I'm sure while the government is "greasing the wheels" they're "greasing a few palms" as well.;) On our dime.

This 100%. If these policies and technology are so great, then why do we need to mandate and subsidize and force them by regulation them instead of demonstrating the benefits and letting people decide?
 

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This 100%. If these policies and technology are so great, then why do we need to mandate and subsidize and force them by regulation them instead of demonstrating the benefits and letting people decide?
Sure! Let’s do the same with Oil!
 

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Fast charging is going to need some liquid cooling. More current/amps, etc means way more heat. It’s one thing my neighbor is working on. If the charger sparks- major fire or explosion will occur.
You know the Tesla supercharger cables are liquid cooled right, and have been for years (at least the Version 3 chargers)

The big issue for a lot of folks is home charging. I could run an EV just fine for most things, and borrow the wife's truck for everything else. I have a reasonably new house (1999) with 200A service. I have friends with new homes with 400A service.

My parents on the other hand, have 80A service on their 1968 house, and no cheap or easy way to get 240VAC to their driveway.

It's not just apartment dwellers, older housing stock with low power service is going to be a major issue.

And supercharging is really for when you have no other choice. It's 4-10x as expensive as charging at home
 

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interesting - there are plenty of non Tesla level 2 chargers near me. Of the 11 level 2 chargers within 20 miles of my work, 4 are Tesla, so less than half. I do wonder how many have federal funding and how many are just installed as part of the business model.

Looks like Charge point & EV passport are the two big brands that are not Tesla around here

Edit: not sure where you are but focusing on the beach I see 19 level 2 stations, 9 are Tesla.
So seems to be a similar ratio 🤷‍♂️
Closer to the end of they year, I'm gonna need all of y'all with EVs to put my store on your map as a charging destination. Gotta get back our $450K because selling EVs isn't going to put a dent in it.:ROFLMAO:
 

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This 100%. If these policies and technology are so great, then why do we need to mandate and subsidize and force them by regulation them instead of demonstrating the benefits and letting people decide?
Follow the money . . .
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