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apparently they decided to build mine, started 9/12 and finished yesterday. Going through final checks and being shipped.
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yeah - I knew he was at a ford lot
450k is a lot of dough for 2 chargers
We were quoted $250k by the local power company to increase the power feed into our factory. Just for factory stuff, not EV chargers.
 

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how many charge stations did you install?
I am quoting installing charge stations @ our frame division, we have 1,100 parking spots and are struggling to determine how many stations to install. Of course the charge station is only one part, we still have to run power to each bank.
Minimum for Elite standards. 2 level 3 (120Kw and 240Kw) 5 level 2 80A. Will have to put in another level 3 at the end of next year unless they change program standards. We're using the Rotunda supplied "Ford" branded chargers but had the option of using one of the other compliant systems that worked with the Ford Pass Charge Network.

Based on what dealers are telling the charge team, a LOT of utility providers are having problems getting transformers the size needed to run multiple chargers. We ended up changing the service to our building then doing a separate one just for the chargers. The city is able to use pole cans for what we're doing but if we get much above 2000A would have to a pad mount.

It has been a f'ing mess and had we not been strong armed into doing it, would have not done it voluntarily. There's no ROI I can see based on their estimated 5 year service life. These things would have to be going almost every day all day to offset the minimum monthly fee from the city including whatever our margin will be per Kw.

That said, we will have the largest public charging location in our county. There's a couple smaller tesla, level 2s around town as well as a handful at the GM, Toyota, GMC and Chrysler stores.

Without chargers being located in a major city, highway system or captive market, they won't pay for themselves without some sort of subsidy. I think there's some sort of tax credit that maxes out at $30K but it required union labor to qualify for. That may have changed since last time I looked but Indian and our municipal utility has no rebates or incentives.
 

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Strawman. No one is owed a job. No one is forced to work anywhere. Your skills are worth what they can earn, no more.
I recommend that you Google what strawman means. Also no one said anything about anyone being owed a job.
 

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We were quoted $250k by the local power company to increase the power feed into our factory. Just for factory stuff, not EV chargers.
we have the power, our building is on a 161 kv susbtation feed. Most of our equipment is running off 480 V so we are installing level 2 chargers and have spare circuits with open amp capacity
We just need to get the power to the right spot on the lot
 

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yeah - I knew he was at a ford lot
450k is a lot of dough for 2 chargers

Also my bad on the chargers - I was going off what my buddy said
He was mistaken as well and thought his 30 min charge was a level 2 charger
He just checked his bill and texted me back
Half is the chargers, other half is to change my building service, add the additional for chargers, electrician, contractor site work. I'll take some pics tomorrow, have a couple more sections of concrete to pour then we're just waiting on the chargers to arrive at port in NY.
 

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I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. If I had to pay the laborer's that built my house enough for them to afford it I wouldn't be able to afford it myself. Are we now going to ensure that all UAW members can afford to buy $100,000+ BRaptor's? Won't that turn them into $150,000 Braptor's?
You're so right, they should all have to drive beaters and live in trailers!
 

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You're so right, they should all have to drive beaters and live in trailers!
Wow, you absolutely captured what I meant to say but never did. It's as if you can read through the lines and discover exactly what it is you want to find. Another boogie man hating on all "workers" because I don't think having a UAW job comes with the entitlement to everything Ford makes. UAW needs to put that in their contract negotiations and see how far up the flag pole it gets.
 

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Minimum for Elite standards. 2 level 3 (120Kw and 240Kw) 5 level 2 80A. Will have to put in another level 3 at the end of next year unless they change program standards. We're using the Rotunda supplied "Ford" branded chargers but had the option of using one of the other compliant systems that worked with the Ford Pass Charge Network.

Based on what dealers are telling the charge team, a LOT of utility providers are having problems getting transformers the size needed to run multiple chargers. We ended up changing the service to our building then doing a separate one just for the chargers. The city is able to use pole cans for what we're doing but if we get much above 2000A would have to a pad mount.

It has been a f'ing mess and had we not been strong armed into doing it, would have not done it voluntarily. There's no ROI I can see based on their estimated 5 year service life. These things would have to be going almost every day all day to offset the minimum monthly fee from the city including whatever our margin will be per Kw.

That said, we will have the largest public charging location in our county. There's a couple smaller tesla, level 2s around town as well as a handful at the GM, Toyota, GMC and Chrysler stores.

Without chargers being located in a major city, highway system or captive market, they won't pay for themselves without some sort of subsidy. I think there's some sort of tax credit that maxes out at $30K but it required union labor to qualify for. That may have changed since last time I looked but Indian and our municipal utility has no rebates or incentives.
I guess we are lucky - our facility has a large enough substation feed so we don't need to upsize our electrical gear. I don't envy being in your dealership's position, that's a tough mandatory pill to swallow. We just need to pay for the service run to the charge banks and the chargers themselves

Our building is a million plus sq ft and we have so much equipment inside the EV chargers usage won't even be noticeable on our monthly electric bill. We are sticking with the level 2 chargers, we may do single 40 amp stations or the dual 80 amp setups like you are doing. With 1,100 parking spots the number to install is the tough call. We have 3 confimed EV's that drive to work. We don't want to do the install multiple times but also don't want to spend too much capital if we don't have to(if they won't get used)
 

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Wow, you absolutely captured what I meant to say but never did. It's as if you can read through the lines and discover exactly what it is you want to find. Another boogie man hating on all "workers" because I don't think having a UAW job comes with the entitlement to everything Ford makes.
I was being sarcastic and no one said "everything" Ford makes, uaw workers shouldn't make enough to buy a GT or something $100,000+. But a nice vehicle would be great. I think it's a sad world where people are so concerned with what others make or want from their employers. How about everyone that bashes UAW workers every time a contract negotiation is occurring states what they do and how much they earn.
 

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I guess we are lucky - our facility has a large enough substation feed so we don't need to upsize our electrical gear. I don't envy being in your dealership's position, that's a tough mandatory pill to swallow. We just need to pay for the service run to the charge banks and the chargers themselves

Our building is a million plus sq ft and we have so much equipment inside the EV chargers usage won't even be noticeable on our monthly electric bill. We are sticking with the level 2 chargers, we may do single 40 amp stations or the dual 80 amp setups like you are doing. With 1,100 parking spots the number to install is the tough call. We have 3 confimed EV's that drive to work. We don't want to do the install multiple times but also don't want to spend too much capital if we don't have to(if they won't get used)
I intentionally had the electricians upsize all of the conduit to help future proof as much as possible. As tech evolves in the next few years these may be obsolete.
 

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I was being sarcastic and no one said "everything" Ford makes, uaw workers shouldn't make enough to buy a GT or something $100,000+. But a nice vehicle would be great. I think it's a sad world where people are so concerned with what others make or want from their employers. How about everyone that bashes UAW workers every time a contract negotiation is occurring states what they do and how much they earn.
What does how much I make have to do with what the UAW worker makes? I chose to go to school to get a higher paying job. Most of my union family members chose to work right out of high school, avoid student debt( I paid for my student loans without asking for gov't assistance)but they have a lower max earning potential.

In life no one is owed anything - you get what you work for.
 
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I was being sarcastic and no one said "everything" Ford makes, uaw workers shouldn't make enough to buy a GT or something $100,000+. But a nice vehicle would be great. I think it's a sad world where people are so concerned with what others make or want from their employers. How about everyone that bashes UAW workers every time a contract negotiation is occurring states what they do and how much they earn.
My apologies, good Sir. I failed to read your sarcasm. I agree that concerning ourselves with the income of others only leads down a dark path. It's none of my business what the CEO makes and none of my business what the workers make. My only business is buying Bronco's (y)
 

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That is not quite accurate. We don't want laborers making so much that the rest of us can't afford the products they create. That isn't a win for anyone when the industry fails. Labor rates should be market driven, not the other way around.
Maybe labor rates should be cost of living and/or inflation related?
Market driven is a race to the bottom.
What the data has shown is stagnant pay or pay cuts to the work force result in MASSIVE pay raises to the executives.

No thank you.

So while 40% sounds obscene, I believe it is more about making a statement, and it's a statement I can get behind.
Don't rob my paycheck just to fatten yours.
If the system is that corrupt, then perhaps it does need to be dismantled.
 

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These strikes are going to push ford to move to non union states/countries, and build mostly robot factories. The strikers are killing their own jobs. This is not skilled labor, it’s a learned repetitive job that can be done by a robot. It’s way over paid to begin with. We don’t live in a socialist/communist country, no one is forcing them to take these jobs, and they’re the best for that area, don’t screw it up by forcing ford’s hand. I’m sure this will be an unpopular opinion with half the members of the forum, but 41 pages is stupid. Unions have done nothing but move manufacturing overseas.
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