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The question is: would you rather go to court and try to enforce a verbal agreement; or go to the dealer and pick up your new Bronco with a signed agreement?

This is exactly right.

Yes, verbal agreements *can* in some situations be binding and enforceable agreements. It's different in each state. There's this thing that most US states inherited from the old English "common law" (that is, law made by judges on a case by case basis) called the "statute of frauds" that says that some agreements must be in writing or they cannot be enforced in court. Typical examples include contracts for the sale of land.

So, yes, verbal agreements can be binding. But if you rely on a verbal agreement, you're taking a chance that your agreement is the type that courts will enforce if its only verbal. But more than that, you are going to have trouble, as you suggest, proving the contents of that agreement and that there was, in fact, an agreement at all. Courts typically want evidence that the parties agreed on all of the material points of the agreement before they will enforce it. If its just a conversation, or a one-way communication from a third party (like Ford Motor Company, which is a separate entity from your dealer), good luck with that. But beyond that, even if you can gather the evidence, are you going to pay an attorney tens of thousands of dollars to sue over some supposed agreement to buy a truck? Enforcing your legal rights is very expensive; enforcing something as amorphous as an oral agreement is low probability of success; you do the math.

Like everyone here is saying, if you don't have an executed written agreement, you are courting disaster. You might be tired of hearing it but that doesn't make it any less true. Whether the reason is that it's not enforceable legally, or the reason is that its impractical to actually enforce it, the result is the same for you. To quote the late great John Candy, "you lose, comrade."

Wisdom starts with humility and the willingness to learn. Or so people are always trying to tell me! :)
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Howdy. I think someone mentioned this before, if the dealership goes away, where do you get your warranty work done? Or where do you take your Tesla for warranty repairs, etc? Thanks.
Repair shops. Manufacturer service locations & showrooms. Same as now, just first party instead of third.

Tesla has like 150 shops across the nation right now, plus mobile repair vehicles. As their customer base grows, those numbers are only going up. I think they planned to add 50 more physical locations this year alone.

The dealer sales model is archaic. Right to repair ensures that auto mechanics should always be around though.
 

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Howdy. I think someone mentioned this before, if the dealership goes away, where do you get your warranty work done? Or where do you take your Tesla for warranty repairs, etc? Thanks.
Someone already kind of addressed this but service centers will stay around, like Tesla has, you just wouldn't be buying a car directly from a dealer anymore. It's essentially keeping the service and parts department while stripping out the showroom.
 

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Yeah, it is stealing bandwidth from all those other great threads on 22 Orders, B&P and I Ordered Last Week so when should I get my Bronco threads

Always amazing to me how there is never a shortage of people who want to censor everyone else. Usually the threads that spark the most intense demands for censorship are the ones that are the most popular with the participants. Huh, imagine that.
 

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No, I think there’s some shenanigans going on and you know how you have to deal with shenanigans.
Dead on. The first assumption you need to make about youtube videos that are promoted to you is that they are there simply to generate as many clicks and views as possible. That's why every icon for a youtube video looks identical: something, unsaid, that is "amazing" or "unbelievable" or "ridiculous" or "must see!". (Also, its why every youtube vid these days is at least 10 minutes long - youtube won't promote shorter ones (because they can't place a sufficient number of ads in them), so now every video is 10 minutes long, even if the subject can be covered in 30 seconds).
 

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Didn't they just say they lost about 50 of their allocation? That would mean the wait will be even longer.
I don't think it's clear what allocations are going to look like next year yet. But you are probably correctly thinking it could be a longer wait.
 

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So they were fine with overcharging until the internet found out. Sounds about right.
 

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So they were fine with overcharging until the internet found out. Sounds about right.
Yup! Not sorry they did it, but sorry they got caught SMH
 

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I wonder if pulling the video was a factor in getting the vehicle at MSRP.
 

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You assume NO price has been agreed to.

The reality is that prices aren't being adhered to.

If I placed and RSVP, and the dealer said "price is going to be MSRP, then they have agreed to a price. Whether verbal, email, text, carrier pigeon...a price was communicated and agreed.

What we have to rely on is a dealer keeping their word and actually abiding by the price they communicated. Almost none of us, no matter how careful you think you have been, have a binding agreement. Period. It can be unilaterally changed, either by you backing out or them adding fees.
My thoughts exactly. It gets so tiring with the professional vehicle buyers and their "It's your fault (you get screwed) you didn't have a written agreement". Are these people all lawyers? I have a verbal agreement. I thought that was enough. I will ask for it in writing when I reorder. Whenever that may be.
 
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This is exactly right.

Yes, verbal agreements *can* in some situations be binding and enforceable agreements. It's different in each state. There's this thing that most US states inherited from the old English "common law" (that is, law made by judges on a case by case basis) called the "statute of frauds" that says that some agreements must be in writing or they cannot be enforced in court. Typical examples include contracts for the sale of land.

So, yes, verbal agreements can be binding. But if you rely on a verbal agreement, you're taking a chance that your agreement is the type that courts will enforce if its only verbal. But more than that, you are going to have trouble, as you suggest, proving the contents of that agreement and that there was, in fact, an agreement at all. Courts typically want evidence that the parties agreed on all of the material points of the agreement before they will enforce it. If its just a conversation, or a one-way communication from a third party (like Ford Motor Company, which is a separate entity from your dealer), good luck with that. But beyond that, even if you can gather the evidence, are you going to pay an attorney tens of thousands of dollars to sue over some supposed agreement to buy a truck? Enforcing your legal rights is very expensive; enforcing something as amorphous as an oral agreement is low probability of success; you do the math.

Like everyone here is saying, if you don't have an executed written agreement, you are courting disaster. You might be tired of hearing it but that doesn't make it any less true. Whether the reason is that it's not enforceable legally, or the reason is that its impractical to actually enforce it, the result is the same for you. To quote the late great John Candy, "you lose, comrade."

Wisdom starts with humility and the willingness to learn. Or so people are always trying to tell me! :)
Does somebody even have standing to force another party to sell an item they no longer want to sell to you? I hear what you are saying about verbal vs written but if I'd they can sue, nobody is actually going to sue over this. If they do, it will take way too long, cost way too much, and would surely not be worth the time or trouble.

Folks need to stop acting like this is some travesty. It is a Ford Bronco, nothing more, nothing less.
 
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