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This is exactly right.

Yes, verbal agreements *can* in some situations be binding and enforceable agreements. It's different in each state. There's this thing that most US states inherited from the old English "common law" (that is, law made by judges on a case by case basis) called the "statute of frauds" that says that some agreements must be in writing or they cannot be enforced in court. Typical examples include contracts for the sale of land.

So, yes, verbal agreements can be binding. But if you rely on a verbal agreement, you're taking a chance that your agreement is the type that courts will enforce if its only verbal. But more than that, you are going to have trouble, as you suggest, proving the contents of that agreement and that there was, in fact, an agreement at all. Courts typically want evidence that the parties agreed on all of the material points of the agreement before they will enforce it. If its just a conversation, or a one-way communication from a third party (like Ford Motor Company, which is a separate entity from your dealer), good luck with that. But beyond that, even if you can gather the evidence, are you going to pay an attorney tens of thousands of dollars to sue over some supposed agreement to buy a truck? Enforcing your legal rights is very expensive; enforcing something as amorphous as an oral agreement is low probability of success; you do the math.

Like everyone here is saying, if you don't have an executed written agreement, you are courting disaster. You might be tired of hearing it but that doesn't make it any less true. Whether the reason is that it's not enforceable legally, or the reason is that its impractical to actually enforce it, the result is the same for you. To quote the late great John Candy, "you lose, comrade."

Wisdom starts with humility and the willingness to learn. Or so people are always trying to tell me! :)
Does somebody even have standing to force another party to sell an item they no longer want to sell to you? I hear what you are saying about verbal vs written but if I'd they can sue, nobody is actually going to sue over this. If they do, it will take way too long, cost way too much, and would surely not be worth the time or trouble.

Folks need to stop acting like this is some travesty. It is a Ford Bronco, nothing more, nothing less.
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Moonpie ford responded to my google review with almost the same exact response. They obviously don’t like how it “played out” because they got smoked on the web for being greedy morons. Yehhhhhh they ”can” ask anything they want, but that doesn’t make it right to do so.
fun thread……glad to help….
 

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Looks like they "worked something out". Sounds like they still payed a little ADM. She says the video and part 2 will be up soon.

 

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And this my friends, is why I am driving 11 Hours from Texas to Iowa (GRANGER).

I will definitely keep them in prayer, maybe some divine intervention will help.

Or maybe a bolt of lightning strikes that dealership 🙌🏽 ⚡
Amen! Fifteen hour drive home here! The peace of mind has been priceless.
 

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Was this Tomball Ford?
It did happen and here is the dealership's response
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this is what happens wen we band together dont take sh*t from these dealers if you placed an order and waited over a year. I bet you all other dealers are going to be cautious going forward. We are dealing with delays after dealers only to find out dbags dealers trying to pull a fast one
 

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Tesla has one of the best lead times right now (still not amazing but better than other manufacturers)…
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Does somebody even have standing to force another party to sell an item they no longer want to sell to you?

No, unless (1) you have a binding contract where you and they have agreed that they'll sell it to you, or (2) you are the government, in which case you can unilaterally change the rules after the fact, or do whatever the hell you want.
 

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Would like to see this article gain traction! The guy states it perfectly in the article, "Others say that their dealer will not commit to a price until the truck comes in, reserving the right to add markups and effectively negating the purpose of ordering directly."

Mic drop.

No problem at all with these dealers marking up their stock and canceled units, but adding ADM on a custom order is bad business, not capitalism.

Another quote from the article, "But it's particularly weird and predatory to add markups to special-order cars, especially when the original order was for a vehicle at MSRP."

Amen!
 

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More info in on this....

 

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Damn. They still had to pay $5K over. @Ford Motor Company really needs to get a handle on this ADM crap. There’s literally zero point to having MSRP protection if the dealers can slap whatever fee they want before final sale.
 

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Here is he outcome. If you haven’t watched the first video, do that before watching part 2. I’m still bummed for them on the final outcome.

Part 2 - the outcome


Part 1 - we have a major problem
 

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I’m happy they got it. Still pissed it was marked up
 

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That really doesn't work here.

These are (eventually going to be) mass produced vehicles. I get the late production start, chip issues, and hard top debacle will limit the MY21 and possibly MY22 production numbers, but MAP is built out to make 250K units a year with a 60/40 Bronco/Ranger ration. 125K plus units a year does a collectors item make.
This

First and foremost, if you pay over MSRP your being foolish. Yes, I get it. You've been waiting desperately for a vehicle you're dying to recieve and at this point, are willing to go to great lengths to get it - And if you don't pay the ADM, it'll just go to someone else who will.
Let it. Let that person be the fool.
The Bronco is an excellent vehicle, but it is not a groundbreaking new design nor a limited run.

As much as it may feel like that now. And those are the only reasonable reasons to pay over MSRP.

The Bronco only feels limited because of the botched launch and continued building restraints. Unless Ford decides to scrap production, it will not be a collectors item.

Paying more to be the first to have one is not reasonable.

That is not to say I back the dealers who are pulling this crap. They are lower than the sludge at the bottom of a sewer pipe. They are taking advantage of the slow rollout, because they know there are plenty of folks with more money than sense that will pay extra. Or those who will let the emotion built up by the long wait convince themselves paying an extra $10k is better than the suffering the disappointment of walking away.

In the long run all these stories in the national press will tarnish the Bronco name and make people think it's an overpriced vanity vehicle.

...is it any wonder why Wrangler sales keep going up during this launch?
 
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