The way I'm seeing that is 75% of the 165k reservations were expected to convert to orders and at about 120k seems pretty accurate. Someone has the info twisted to read something different.
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The “I told you so” crew is hilarious. You can’t say people were wrong all along and should have known better, when up until a week ago the facts said that under invoice dealers would not have a problem filling orders.
It’s disingenuous at best, and really reeks of people actually being happy that a lot of folks on this forum are getting screwed.
It’s disingenuous at best, and really reeks of people actually being happy that a lot of folks on this forum are getting screwed.
This probably works just fine for them and nobody has any concerns because there are never more than a couple in any of those lines. The problem is when 1200 are in line. That seemed to draw Fords attention.
I guess I can re-emphasize what you bolded:
203 allocations for 6 months of limited production and setbacks
Logically, to me, that would imply a much larger allocation for a full year (at least 400), in a year with less COVID restrictions, a slowly stabilizing supplier network, and hopefully past stupid stuff like borked top production.
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As I see it, a whole new game is about to start. All of the rules should be put in place now. Everybody needs to reconfirm their order and free to make changes as they see fit.
It's hard to believe anyone thinks that info from so far back is still relevant. With so many ups and downs since then, how could Ford possibly continue to follow that plan? Do you just expect them to defiantly stick to a position that no longer works for them? A business won't be around for long if they refuse to change with times.
You apparently didn't read the reservation guidelines posted several times in this thread. I haven't seen anything that speciffically calls out under invoice dealers.
Why would anybody be happy others are getting screwed? I for one feel sorry for those that took the offer in good faith and now find themselves in a tough spot.
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I like this post. But I actually disagree. I don't find it hard to believe. People find change hard to deal with. Progress moves too fast for some.
I am not gonna read all 23 pages, but I will respond to the OPs point (and I do not hold a Bronco reservation, I ordered a Mach 1 from our most loveable and friendly dealer around here, @Zach@Granger , which is who @PowPow is bitching about.)
So, @PowPow , the reason everyone is pissed, is because the rules were stated one way, and thus a certain corn fed iowa boy openened up his books. Yes, the way he does it, he is going to sell 1000 Broncos at 500 bucks profit for a cool 1/2 mil. VS BOSS HOGGs dealer in Houston who is gonna charge 10 over MSRP and is only going to sell 50 of em for the same profit. As far as Ford is concerned, they're only going to make the same amount regardless of if the Bronco gets sold for 2-4% under invoice, or ADM of 10%. What should matter to Ford, is how many they sell (and the cheaper the customer price, the more they will sell, hands down.) And, arguably, how much of everything else they sell.
So, what is happening, is that the big dealers, who, arguably in Fords decision making favor, sell so many different Fords a year, our corn-fed dealers 1000 Bronco sales are miniscule. which is in the overall what Ford cares about, right, because they don't make more for a dealer who sells for more, that is the dealers profit.
Normally, this makes complete and perfect friggen sense. You sell more of everything, you get more allocations for special stuff.
BUT, here is the wrench. That should only apply to DEALER orders. I Agree, our iowan should only get a couple of dealer order Broncos and Mustangs, and other cool shit, at least right now. because their sales history is pretty low compared to even dealers in des moines, much less SF, Houston, NYC, DC, etc. But, regardless of the dealer or location, Customer orders, and reservations, should be honored FIRST. If I lived in Timbucktoo but was the first person to get an order entered for a Bronco, I should've been the first one to receive one. Minus that guy who paid like 250k at Barret Jackson anyways....
Ford decided, that they are going to give HEAVY priority to dealer orders for the BIG dealers to make em happy so they can sell those for 10-30k over MSRP than they are to reservation holders who watched that absolutely horrible release last July and STILL reserved right away.
and by Heavy, how the numbers roll out, Mr. Iowa is getting he said 120-200 next year, total.
So they already have 5-10 years worth of reservations backlogged.
whereas Galpin, or Lonestar, or Koch or whatever that big east coast dealer is, will get 1000 next year, when they only have 100-200 reservations because they are charging so much.
So yeah, Screw Ford for this decision. And Screw the big dealers for being so greedy. They already make the most due to volume alone, now they have to make 10x-50x more per sale just for the fuck of it.
So, @PowPow , the reason everyone is pissed, is because the rules were stated one way, and thus a certain corn fed iowa boy openened up his books. Yes, the way he does it, he is going to sell 1000 Broncos at 500 bucks profit for a cool 1/2 mil. VS BOSS HOGGs dealer in Houston who is gonna charge 10 over MSRP and is only going to sell 50 of em for the same profit. As far as Ford is concerned, they're only going to make the same amount regardless of if the Bronco gets sold for 2-4% under invoice, or ADM of 10%. What should matter to Ford, is how many they sell (and the cheaper the customer price, the more they will sell, hands down.) And, arguably, how much of everything else they sell.
So, what is happening, is that the big dealers, who, arguably in Fords decision making favor, sell so many different Fords a year, our corn-fed dealers 1000 Bronco sales are miniscule. which is in the overall what Ford cares about, right, because they don't make more for a dealer who sells for more, that is the dealers profit.
Normally, this makes complete and perfect friggen sense. You sell more of everything, you get more allocations for special stuff.
BUT, here is the wrench. That should only apply to DEALER orders. I Agree, our iowan should only get a couple of dealer order Broncos and Mustangs, and other cool shit, at least right now. because their sales history is pretty low compared to even dealers in des moines, much less SF, Houston, NYC, DC, etc. But, regardless of the dealer or location, Customer orders, and reservations, should be honored FIRST. If I lived in Timbucktoo but was the first person to get an order entered for a Bronco, I should've been the first one to receive one. Minus that guy who paid like 250k at Barret Jackson anyways....
Ford decided, that they are going to give HEAVY priority to dealer orders for the BIG dealers to make em happy so they can sell those for 10-30k over MSRP than they are to reservation holders who watched that absolutely horrible release last July and STILL reserved right away.
and by Heavy, how the numbers roll out, Mr. Iowa is getting he said 120-200 next year, total.
So they already have 5-10 years worth of reservations backlogged.
whereas Galpin, or Lonestar, or Koch or whatever that big east coast dealer is, will get 1000 next year, when they only have 100-200 reservations because they are charging so much.
So yeah, Screw Ford for this decision. And Screw the big dealers for being so greedy. They already make the most due to volume alone, now they have to make 10x-50x more per sale just for the fuck of it.
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Where is this “progress” you speak of?
At launch Ford didn’t say volume dealers will have preference. They said rsvps came first, the public RSVP’d and Ford got a 100000+ RSVPs. FORD should have had a cut off date for RSVPs. I have a feeling Ford will implement something new and everyone will “want” to reorder.
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This thread is about dealers having some responsibility, and it isn't all Ford's fault. So, are you saying that a dealer who chose to dramatically oversell their projected allocation by dramatically undercutting pricing, has no fault at all in this....it's all Ford's fault? What are you saying?
Folks keep saying Ford changed the rules and went to an allocation system the second year. We have shown that Ford had the allocation system from the beginning. Folks have argued that Ford said they would fill reservations first, and it has been clearly shown that Ford from the beginning said that filling orders by reservations date was still subject to parts availability and dealers allocations. So, what is your argument? Is your only argument that the 2022 allocation formula is different from the 2021 formula? OK, what was the 2021 formula to prove that it's different now? And, so it's different. That doesn't change the topic of this thread that some dealers chose to WAY over sell their expected allocation by dramatic price undercutting. And has some responsibility in that. Are you saying that those dealers have no responsibility? Only Ford is at fault?
You would think if overselling and undercutting the Bronco was genius, more than three dealers would have followed suit. Surely three small dealers didn't outsmart thousands of larger, more successful dealers.... interesting concept.
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